Question about the solution of TISE (finite potential barrier)

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The discussion revolves around the solutions to the Time-Independent Schrödinger Equation (TISE) in the context of a finite potential barrier. Participants explore the implications of coefficients in the wave function and the conditions under which certain solutions exist, particularly focusing on the coefficients associated with the wave function on either side of the potential barrier.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to conclude that the solutions of the form \( a \sin(kx) + b \cos(kx) = 0 \) encompass all possible solutions, particularly whether there can be a solution where both \( a \) and \( b \) are non-zero.
  • Another participant asserts that in a physical context, five coefficients are necessary, and the continuity conditions provide four relations, implying that the ratios of coefficients have physical interpretations related to reflection and transmission.
  • There is a reiteration of the question regarding the existence of solutions where both \( a \) and \( b \) are non-zero, with a participant providing a general solution of the form \( \Psi(x) = a e^{i k x} + b e^{-i k x} \) for the left side of the potential barrier.
  • A later reply clarifies that while five coefficients can be present when considering a particle incident from the left, the sixth coefficient must be zero due to the absence of incoming waves from the right side, emphasizing the physical interpretation of tunneling.
  • Participants discuss the potential for approximations based on energy and barrier width, suggesting that further detailed treatment could provide additional insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which coefficients can be non-zero, particularly regarding the total number of coefficients and their physical implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of all coefficients being non-zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the continuity conditions and the physical interpretations of coefficients, but there is no consensus on the implications of having non-zero coefficients in all cases. The discussion also hints at the complexity of the problem, suggesting that certain assumptions may limit the conclusions drawn.

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Let's say the solution on the left hand side is a sinkx + b coskx = 0
We get one solution for each E if we omitted a and another solution if we omitted b. However, how to conclude that they are all the solutions? Will there be any solution of the 5 coefficients such that a and b are both not zero?
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Clara Chung said:
Let's say the solution on the left hand side is a sinkx + b coskx = 0

If you are dealing with a physical situation, the five coefficients are necessary- however, the continuity condition gives you four relations;
Therefore the ratio of coefficients with incident amplitude carries physical interpretations-like reflection, transmission.etc.
making a and b both zero does not carry any meaning.
moreover, the total wave function can be zero on the left side if there is infinite wall
 
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drvrm said:
If you are dealing with a physical situation, the five coefficients are necessary- however, the continuity condition gives you four relations;
Therefore the ratio of coefficients with incident amplitude carries physical interpretations-like reflection, transmission.etc.
making a and b both zero does not carry any meaning.
moreover, the total wave function can be zero on the left side if there is infinite wall
Sorry, but I mean will there be solution where a and b are both NOT zero?
 
Clara Chung said:
Sorry, but I mean will there be a solution where a and b are both NOT zero?

yes, such solutions exist on the left of the potential barrier- gen solution is
Psi(x) =a exp( i.k.x) +b exp(- i.k.x)
where
k = Sqrt( 2mE)/ h_bar
 
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drvrm said:
yes, such solutions exist on the left of the potential barrier- gen solution is
Psi(x) =a exp( i.k.x) +b exp(- i.k.x)
where
k = Sqrt( 2mE)/ h_bar
yes, but I mean is it possible for all 6 coefficients be non zero?
 
Clara Chung said:
yes, but I mean is it possible for all 6 coefficients be non zero?

When one is treating the problem from the view of a particle incident from left with E, < V(x) you can have only five constants

say {A.B} {C.D } and E in the three regions as there will be transmitted amplitude in the third region.- the most interesting is (E/A)
physically as it represents tunneling. As no wave is coming from right the sixth amplitude will be zero.

depending on the energy and corresponding width of the barrier certain approximations can be made.
pl. see the detailed treatment in the reference below-that may help you.

Ref.-http://www.cse.salford.ac.uk/physics/gsmcdonald/pp/PPLATOResources/h-flap/p11_1t.pdf
 
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