Transmission: Finite Potential Barriers & Potential Steps

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transmission of particles, specifically electrons and protons, through finite potential barriers and potential steps. Participants explore the conceptual differences in transmission probabilities based on mass dependence and the nature of the potential encountered.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the probability of transmission for electrons is higher than for protons due to mass dependence, referencing the WKB approximation.
  • Another participant questions whether transmission can be mass dependent in some cases and not in others, expressing uncertainty about this conclusion.
  • A participant highlights the difference between a potential barrier (where EU) as potentially influencing transmission characteristics.
  • There is a mention of a specific calculation involving 25 MeV protons and 20 MeV steps, suggesting that the reflection constant changes with mass but may not affect transmission probabilities.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the nature of transmission being discussed, specifically whether it pertains to electrons and protons passing through barriers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mass dependence of transmission probabilities and whether the nature of the potential (barrier vs. step) plays a significant role. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that their understanding of mass dependence in transmission is primarily mathematical, indicating a potential gap in conceptual clarity. The discussion does not resolve the implications of different potential scenarios on transmission outcomes.

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This may appear like a homework question, but I am not asking for answers for the question, so please don't remove this post! This is a conceptual question, and I just want to show how I came to that question.

The following question, " An electron and a proton of identical energy E encounter the same finite potential barrier (E<U) For which is the probability of transmission greatest, and why?" is answered by considering the WKB approximation (below) where there is mass dependence. The obvious answer is that the electron have the highest probability of emission.
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Then I encountered another question, "Calculate the fraction of 25 MeV protons reflected and the fraction transmitted for a 20 MeV step. How do your answers change if the protons are replaced by electrons?" The reflection constant reduced to the point where it is obvious that there is no mass dependence. And so the obvious answer is that the answers will not change if we changed the mass of the particle.
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I wondered how transmission is different for what seems to be very similar situations.

My guess is (and this is where I need help and clarification) that because of the fact that in the first case, potential energy is greater than the particle's energy, and in the second case it is the opposite case. But how that determines whether the transmission has a mass dependence or not (respectively) eludes me.

Or is it different because we have a potential energy barrier in the first case and a potential step in the second case? This second guess is certainly very implausible according to my current understanding, because transmission just happens twice when we consider a square potential barrier (once at the first boundary, and a second at the second boundary).
 
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I did put up a question similar to this, but perhaps the length of the question was off-putting and inappropriate for this thread.

I am just questioning a conclusion I have drawn from some questions I have done: There are some cases when transmission can be mass dependent and some cases when it is not. Whether this is true is something I am definitely uncertain about, and if it is true, I would like to know why. Because the only the indications I have gotten about mass dependence and independence for transmission (and reflection also) are mathematical, and I am not satisfied.
 
(Perhaps you shortened the question a little too much. :wink:)

Transmission of what?
 
Sorry, I am talking about transmission of electrons and protons through a potential barrier.
 
Clueless said:
I did put up a question similar to this, but perhaps the length of the question was off-putting and inappropriate for this thread.

It's OK to "bump" a thread (once) after at least 24 hours. I've merged your two threads.
 

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