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The discussion revolves around the wave equation for electromagnetic waves, specifically the possibility of simplifying it by expressing the spatial variable as a function of time. Participants explore the implications of assuming straight-line propagation and constant velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is valid to assume straight-line propagation of an electromagnetic wave and constant velocity c.
  • There is a proposal to simplify the wave equation by expressing the spatial variable x as a function of time t, leading to a reformulation of the equation in terms of t only.
  • One participant suggests that while it is possible to define a new function u1(t) based on a specific function x1(t), the wave equation does not inherently provide a method to derive such a function.
  • Another participant mentions that while the motion of wave crests could suggest a function x1(t), there is skepticism about the necessity or validity of this approach, labeling it as potentially an empty exercise.
  • Examples of waves, such as those from a pocket laser or signals from a radio transmitter, are cited to illustrate cases of straight-line propagation.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of simplifying the wave equation in the proposed manner. There is no consensus on whether the approach is meaningful or necessary, indicating ongoing debate.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the functions involved and the assumptions made about the nature of wave propagation. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the proposed simplifications.

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Hello,

is it possible for one to assume a straight-line propagation of an e.m. wave and constant velocity c? If so, is it possible to simplify the wave equation

utt=c2uxx

by expressing the spatial variable x through the time variable t?
x must be a function of t, since the motion is rectilinear with constant c.

Then, x = x(t) and x is no longer independent variable. Then the above PDE should be rewritten in terms of t only, since u(x,t)=u(x(t),t)=u(t)

Does this make sense?
 
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Sunfire said:
Hello,

is it possible for one to assume a straight-line propagation of an e.m. wave and constant velocity c? If so, is it possible to simplify the wave equation

utt=c2uxx

by expressing the spatial variable x through the time variable t?
x must be a function of t, since the motion is rectilinear with constant c.

Then, x = x(t) and x is no longer independent variable. Then the above PDE should be rewritten in terms of t only, since u(x,t)=u(x(t),t)=u(t)

Does this make sense?

Yes , you can convert it into differential forms :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_equation
http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~muchomas/P214/Notes/OtherWaves/node18.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/waveq.html
 
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is it possible for one to assume a straight-line propagation of an e.m. wave and constant velocity c?
Yes, of course, the light of a pocket laser is a good example of such wave.

is it possible to simplify the wave equation...by expressing the spatial variable x through the time variable t?

The quantity u in the wave equation is some physical quantity ascribed to point in space x at some time t (e.g. electric field), so it is usually thought of as a function of both x and t.

If you have some function x1(t), you can define new function by
[tex] u1(t) = u(x1(t),t).[/tex]

For example, if x1 is function giving the position of electron, u1 gives the electric field acting on the electron at time t.

However, the function x1 has to be inferred from other sources; there is nothing in the wave equation that would give such a function.

True, there is the motion of the maxima of the wave crests and one could ascribe such function x1(t) to one of them, but there is no good reason for doing so - there is no particle there - so it would seem to be just an empty exercise.
 
Jano L. said:
Yes, of course, the light of a pocket laser is a good example of such wave.

Or the signal at a few wavelengths distant from any radio transmitter. That behaves pretty well like a plane wave.
 

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