Question concerning Kirchoff's Laws

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The discussion revolves around Kirchhoff's Laws, specifically focusing on the relationships between currents and voltages in a circuit with series and parallel connections. Participants are examining the implications of these laws on the given options related to current and voltage relationships.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to identify which relationships among currents and voltages are valid according to Kirchhoff's Laws. Questions arise regarding the application of the junction law and the impact of resistor values on current distribution. There is also a discussion about the potential relationships and their validity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of Kirchhoff's Laws. Some have provided insights into the application of the laws, while others express uncertainty about the relationships involving potential drops. There is a recognition that specific resistor values influence the outcomes, but no consensus has been reached on the correct relationships.

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Participants note that the problem may lack clarity, particularly regarding the directionality of currents and voltages in the equations presented. This ambiguity may affect their reasoning and conclusions.

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1. Which of the following relationships must be true according to the laws of series and parallel connections?

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The options are:
I1 = I3
I3 = I4
I2 = I3 + I4
I1 = I3 + I2
V1 = V2
V3 = V4
V1 = V3 + V4
V2 = V3 + V4
V1 = V2 + V3 + V4


2. Loop and junction laws



3. By the junction law, I said that I1 = I3, I3 = I4, and I2 = I3 + I4. That's wrong, and I suspect that it's wrong because one or more of the options involving the potential drops is correct. But I don't understand why any of those would be true if the potential drops across each resistor in the direction of current flow.
 
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I assume I1 is the current through R1, etc. The truth of some of the answers depends on the values of the resistors.

What does Kirchoff's current law say? Explain how you applied it to get the answers you did.
 
3 and 4 are in series, so they must have the same current. I mis-typed above: I said I2 = I1 + I3, because current flowing from I2 reaches the junction then goes to either 1 or 3... also, I changed my mind, I1 does not equal I3, I1 is greater because on the "I3" branch there's two resistors.
 
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3 and 4 are in series, so they must have the same current. I mis-typed above: I said I2 = I1 + I3, because current flowing from I2 reaches the junction then goes to either 1 or 3...
Yes.
Also, I changed my mind, I1 does not equal I3; I1 is greater because on the "I3" branch there are two resistors.
This is one of those cases where the specific resistor values matter. You can't just count the number of resistors. If R1 > R3+R4, then I1 < I3, right?
 
Right, so I3 = I4 and I2 = I1 + I3... but what else am I missing? I assume one or more of the options regarding potential is correct, but as I stated I don't understand why.
 
Apply Kirchoff's voltage law to the three loops in the circuit.

Kirchoff's current law tells you that elements in series have the same current; Kirchoff's voltage law tells you that elements in parallel have the same voltage across them.

Note that the problem isn't well stated as both the currents and voltages should have a direction associated with them. I assume they're just working with magnitudes in the equations.
 

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