Question on density functional theory

In summary: This conversation discusses the idea of density functional theory (DFT) and its use in calculating excited states. It mentions that DFT is built on the concept of an auxiliary non-interacting problem that has the same ground-state density as the actual interacting problem. However, there is no guarantee that the auxiliary problem will have the same excited states as the actual problem being studied. While there are extensions of DFT that address this issue, for practical purposes, DFT is considered a "hacked up" version of Hartree-Fock. Some people believe that DFT is "in principle exact" and offers deep theoretical insights, but others argue that it is pointless. The constrained search formalism is also mentioned as a useful tool in generalizing DFT
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Dear PF,

I'm reading a book on DFT, and it says that only ground-state wave function is a unique functional of the ground-state density, n(r). However, if in DFT the potential, v(r), is a unique functional of n(r), then shouldn't all wave functions be functionals of n(r), because you can just solve for the excited-state wave functions from the v(r) determined from n(r)?

Thanks
 
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DFT is built on the idea of constructing an auxiliary non-interacting problem that has the same ground-state density as the interacting problem. There is nothing in the theories of DFT that guarantee that the auxiliary problem will have the same excited states as the actual interacting problem that you're interested in studying.

There are extensions to DFT, like TDDFT (time-dependent -) which put the calculation of excited states on firmer theoretical footing.
 
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OP, I would recommend not worrying about these things too much. There is all that talk about DFT being "in principle" exact and deep theorems and so on, but for all practical purposes, real world DFT is a hacked up Hartree-Fock. There is little insight to be gained by studying those theorems.

Regarding ``in principle exact': Note that the ground state density uniquely determines the positions of the atomic cores (due to their nuclear cusps), and these in turn uniquely determine the external potential. If you have the external potential, you can, theoretically, just calculate the exact many-body wave function from it, including excited states and all properties. And with the same argument as used in Levy's constrained search formalism you can show that classical force fields are in principle exact (if you'd just know the right energy function...).
Now is that a deep theoretical insight? Many people seem to think yes. In my opinion, if Levy's constrained search formalism has shown one thing, then it is that the Hohenberg-Kohn-Theorem is pointless[1].

[1] (but the Kohn-Sham approach is not. In contrary to real DFT, it actually offers a practical way of estimating the kinetic energy... by not actually being a /density functional/ theory, but calculating a Hartree-Fock-like wave function).
 
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cgk, is there a reference you recommend to learn more about Levy's constrained search formalism? Thanks in advance.
 
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Useful nucleus, I think the original reference is this: http://www.pnas.org/content/76/12/6062.short and this one: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/qua.22895 gives some historical context. The constrained search formalism is nowadays often employed in generalizations of DFT (in my personal optionion mainly because it's an almost trivial way to prove that almost everything you can come up with is "in principle exact")
 
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Thank you, cgk! I will study those references.
 

What is density functional theory (DFT)?

Density functional theory is a computational method used in quantum mechanics to study the electronic structure of molecules and solids. It is based on a set of mathematical equations that describe the behavior of electrons in a material or system. DFT is widely used in chemistry, physics, and materials science to understand and predict the properties of materials.

How does DFT work?

DFT works by calculating the electron density of a material or system. This is done by solving the Schrödinger equation, which describes the behavior of electrons in a system. The electron density is then used to calculate other properties, such as the total energy, electronic structure, and chemical reactivity of the material or system.

What are the advantages of using DFT?

One of the main advantages of DFT is its efficiency. It is relatively fast and requires less computational resources compared to other quantum mechanical methods. Additionally, DFT can handle a wide range of systems, from small molecules to large biomolecules and solids. It also provides a good balance between accuracy and computational cost.

What are the limitations of DFT?

Although DFT is a powerful tool, it has some limitations. One of the main limitations is the use of approximate exchange-correlation functionals, which can introduce errors in the calculations. DFT also struggles with accurately predicting properties related to weak interactions, such as dispersion forces. Additionally, DFT is not suitable for studying systems with strong correlation effects, such as transition metals.

What are some applications of DFT?

DFT has a wide range of applications in various fields, including chemistry, materials science, and physics. It is commonly used to study the properties of molecules, such as their electronic structure, reactivity, and spectroscopic properties. In materials science, DFT is used to investigate the properties of solids, such as band structures, defects, and phase transitions. It is also used in drug design and computational catalysis to predict the behavior of chemical reactions.

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