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The discussion revolves around density functional theory (DFT), specifically addressing the uniqueness of the ground-state wave function as a functional of the ground-state density, n(r), and the implications for excited-state wave functions. The conversation explores theoretical foundations, practical applications, and extensions of DFT, such as time-dependent DFT (TDDFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the uniqueness of wave functions in DFT, suggesting that if the potential v(r) is a functional of n(r), then all wave functions could be derived from n(r).
  • Another participant clarifies that DFT constructs an auxiliary non-interacting problem that matches the ground-state density but does not guarantee the same excited states as the interacting problem.
  • A different viewpoint expresses skepticism about the practical utility of DFT's theoretical foundations, suggesting that real-world applications resemble a modified Hartree-Fock approach.
  • This participant also argues that while the ground-state density can theoretically determine the many-body wave function, the theoretical insights may not be as profound as some believe.
  • References to Levy's constrained search formalism are mentioned, with one participant seeking further reading on the topic.
  • Another participant provides links to original references related to Levy's formalism and its historical context, suggesting its relevance to generalizations of DFT.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of DFT's theoretical foundations and their practical applications. There is no consensus on the significance of the uniqueness of wave functions or the depth of theoretical insights provided by DFT and its extensions.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, including the dependence on theoretical constructs and the unresolved nature of how excited states relate to the ground-state density within DFT.

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Dear PF,

I'm reading a book on DFT, and it says that only ground-state wave function is a unique functional of the ground-state density, n(r). However, if in DFT the potential, v(r), is a unique functional of n(r), then shouldn't all wave functions be functionals of n(r), because you can just solve for the excited-state wave functions from the v(r) determined from n(r)?

Thanks
 
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DFT is built on the idea of constructing an auxiliary non-interacting problem that has the same ground-state density as the interacting problem. There is nothing in the theories of DFT that guarantee that the auxiliary problem will have the same excited states as the actual interacting problem that you're interested in studying.

There are extensions to DFT, like TDDFT (time-dependent -) which put the calculation of excited states on firmer theoretical footing.
 
OP, I would recommend not worrying about these things too much. There is all that talk about DFT being "in principle" exact and deep theorems and so on, but for all practical purposes, real world DFT is a hacked up Hartree-Fock. There is little insight to be gained by studying those theorems.

Regarding ``in principle exact': Note that the ground state density uniquely determines the positions of the atomic cores (due to their nuclear cusps), and these in turn uniquely determine the external potential. If you have the external potential, you can, theoretically, just calculate the exact many-body wave function from it, including excited states and all properties. And with the same argument as used in Levy's constrained search formalism you can show that classical force fields are in principle exact (if you'd just know the right energy function...).
Now is that a deep theoretical insight? Many people seem to think yes. In my opinion, if Levy's constrained search formalism has shown one thing, then it is that the Hohenberg-Kohn-Theorem is pointless[1].

[1] (but the Kohn-Sham approach is not. In contrary to real DFT, it actually offers a practical way of estimating the kinetic energy... by not actually being a /density functional/ theory, but calculating a Hartree-Fock-like wave function).
 
cgk, is there a reference you recommend to learn more about Levy's constrained search formalism? Thanks in advance.
 
Useful nucleus, I think the original reference is this: http://www.pnas.org/content/76/12/6062.short and this one: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/qua.22895 gives some historical context. The constrained search formalism is nowadays often employed in generalizations of DFT (in my personal optionion mainly because it's an almost trivial way to prove that almost everything you can come up with is "in principle exact")
 
Thank you, cgk! I will study those references.
 

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