Question on the Boiling point of NaCl solution.

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The discussion revolves around the discrepancy between the experimental boiling point of a sodium chloride (NaCl) solution and the boiling point calculated under the assumption of complete dissociation of NaCl in solution. Participants explore the implications of dissociation and the factors influencing boiling point elevation in solutions.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the lower experimental boiling point may be due to the reassociation of Na+ and Cl- ions, leading to a lower effective concentration of particles than expected from complete dissociation.
  • Others argue that the boiling point change should be considered in terms of the molar fraction of the solvent rather than just the concentration of the dissolved substance.
  • One participant questions how the differences between calculated and experimental values arise, emphasizing the need to account for all interactions in the solution.
  • Another participant notes that the calculated value does not consider all phenomena occurring in the solution.
  • A later reply suggests that a more accurate calculation should incorporate the measured dissociation constant of NaCl instead of assuming complete dissociation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the reasons for the discrepancy between experimental and calculated boiling points. Multiple competing views on the factors influencing this discrepancy remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about complete dissociation and the potential influence of undissociated NaCl on the boiling point. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interactions in the solution that may not be fully captured in calculations.

Choronzon
The experimental boiling point of the NaCl solution is lower than that calculated, assuming that NaCl is completely dissociated in solution. Why is this the case?



I'm thinking that this is because some of the Na+ and Cl- ions reassociate for a short time, thus causing the solution to contain somewhat less than two times the original concentration of NaCl. The phrase in the question "assuming that NaCl is completely dissociated in solution." is making me doubt this answer. Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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We usually discuss boiling point change in terms of concentration of dissolved substance, but it is lowered solvent concentration (molar fraction) that really matters... When you dissolve salt its molar faction goes down - first of all because total numer fo moles goes up, but that's not the only reason.
 
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How would that make a difference between the calculated and experimental values? I understand that the boiling point changes--but why the discrepancy between the experimental results and the calculations?
 
Calculated value doesn't take everything happening in the solution into account.
 
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Choronzon said:
The experimental boiling point of the NaCl solution is lower than that calculated, assuming that NaCl is completely dissociated in solution. Why is this the case?
I'm thinking that this is because some of the Na+ and Cl- ions reassociate for a short time, thus causing the solution to contain somewhat less than two times the original concentration of NaCl. The phrase in the question "assuming that NaCl is completely dissociated in solution." is making me doubt this answer. Does anyone have any suggestions?
I think you have it right, but it comes down to correctly interpreting the intent of an ambiguously worded question. I think the intent of the question is to tell you that the calculation assumes complete dissociation, whereas in reality, as you guessed, there is some undissociated NaCl, and this makes the actual value of the number of particles in solution lower than the calculated value.

In fact, a more accurate calculation will be based on the measured dissociation constant of NaCl, rather than assuming this is 100%.
 
Obviously it wasn't just my ears that froze today at -18 deg C, but also parts of my brain All the time I was thinking about temperature being higher, not lower...
 
Thanks for the help guys—I was pretty sure about my answer, but the question throws me off a bit.
 

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