Question regarding Fourier Transform/e^-2pi*i

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier Transform, specifically focusing on the term e^-2πi in the integral and its implications in evaluating the transform. Participants explore the mathematical properties of this term, its role in the context of frequency, and the challenges faced in integrating complex functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why e^-2πi cannot be simplified to 1 using Euler's formula, indicating a lack of understanding of the integral's structure.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral includes a variable t, which is essential for the expression and prevents simplification to 1.
  • A participant proposes that e^(-2πi*t) can be rewritten as (e^(-2πi))^t, leading to confusion about the validity of simplifying it to 1.
  • It is noted that unless t is an integer, 1^t is not necessarily equal to 1, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the simplification of e^-2πi and the implications of the variable t in the integral. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper treatment of the term and its mathematical implications.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the evaluation of the integral involving complex exponentials, and the discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of variables and their roles in mathematical expressions.

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Hello,

I am a HS Senior and in my AP chem class we discussed Fourier Transform and their applications (didn't actually do any math with it, just how it works and the formula) in spectroscopy. It seemed pretty interesting to me. But I have a simple question about the formula that I just don't get.

I noticed that in the integral, there is a e^-2*pi*i. This will probably sound really stupid but given that I have only taken up to Calc BC and HS Physics, why isn't this simplified to 1 via Euler's formula? And how would you even go about evaluating the integral? My TI-89 was unable to solve the complex integral...

I think it might be related to the fact that frequency doesn't measure cycles per unit time like wiki says...but then what does it measure??
 
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Welcome to PF, pawnwarp! :smile:

The integral would contain something like e^-2*pi*i*t.
I think you dropped off the "t" (or something similar).
Therefore it can not be simplified to 1.

The typical problem with the integral is that it extends to infinity where the exponentiation is not defined properly.
To this end the Dirac delta function is sometimes introduced to represent the result, but I'll not go into that now.

For finite time signals, like a square function:
$$f(t)=\begin{cases}1 & \textrm{if } -1 \le t \le 1 \\ 0 & \textrm{otherwise} \end{cases}$$
you can integrate the formula without special tricks.

Btw, the frequency would measure cycles per unit time.
 
Thank You for the welcome :D

Yes, I saw the t but can't e^(-2*pi*i*t) be changed to (e^(-2*pi*i))^t, which becomes 1^t and then becomes 1? I must surely be missing something here...
 
pawnwarp said:
Thank You for the welcome :D

Yes, I saw the t but can't e^(-2*pi*i*t) be changed to (e^(-2*pi*i))^t, which becomes 1^t and then becomes 1? I must surely be missing something here...
Unless t is an integer, 1^t is not necessarily 1.
 

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