Question with the prove of r(t) ande r'(t) is perpendicular.

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The discussion revolves around the proof that the vector \(\vec{r}(t)\) and its derivative \(\vec{r}'(t)\) are perpendicular. Participants explore the conditions under which the magnitude of \(\vec{r}(t)\) is constant and the implications of this for the derivative.

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  • One participant questions why \(\frac{d}{dt}[|\vec{r}(t)|^2] = 0\) when \(\vec{r}(t) = x\hat{x} + y\hat{y}\), noting that \(x\) and \(y\) are not constants.
  • Another participant suggests that if \(\vec{r}(t)\) describes a circular path, then the length of \(\vec{r}(t)\) is constant, leading to the conclusion that its derivative must be zero everywhere.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the book states \(|\vec{r}(t)|\) is constant, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the initial claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which \(|\vec{r}(t)|^2\) is constant, with some proposing that it relates to circular motion while others challenge this assumption.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the specific path described by \(\vec{r}(t)\) and the assumptions regarding the constancy of its magnitude, which remain unresolved.

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In the prove of [itex]\vec{r}(t) \;&\; \vec{r}'(t) \;[/itex] is perpendicular:

[tex]\vec{r}(t) \;\cdot\; \vec{r}(t) \;=\; |\vec{r}(t)|^2 \;\Rightarrow\; \frac{d}{dt}[ \vec{r}(t) \;\cdot\; \vec{r}(t)] = \vec{r}(t) \;\cdot\; \vec{r}'(t) + \vec{r}(t) \;\cdot\; \vec{r}'(t) = \frac{d}{dt}[ |\vec{r}(t)|^2][/tex]

The book claimed since [itex]\; |\vec{r}(t)|^2 \;[/itex] is a constant, [itex]\frac{d}{dt}[ |\vec{r}(t)|^2] = 0[/itex].

Question is why [itex]\; \frac{d}{dt}[ |\vec{r}(t)|^2] = 0\;[/itex]? Let [itex]\; \vec{r}(t) = x\hat{x} + y\hat{y}[/itex]

[tex]\; \frac{d}{dt}[ |\vec{r}(t)|^2] = x^2 + y^2\;[/tex]

x and y is not a constant! Why [itex]\; |\vec{r}(t)|^2 \;[/itex] is a constant?!
 
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Does r(t) describe a circular path?
 
this is what comes to my mind: If the path is circular then r(t) represents the radius of the circle at any point and the length of r(t) always equals a constant which is the radius. so its derivative must be zero everywhere. this is just another proof for this intuitive thing that the tangent line passing through a point on a circle is perpendicular to the radius of the circle.
 
Mark44 said:
Does r(t) describe a circular path?


I found that the book did say if [itex]|\vec{r}(t)|[/itex] is constant.

My bad.
 
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