Questions about acceleration in SR

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The discussion revolves around the calculation and properties of the world line of a rocket experiencing constant proper acceleration in the context of special relativity (SR). Participants explore geometric interpretations, mathematical formulations, and conceptual clarifications related to acceleration, world lines, and hyperbolas.

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  • One participant asks how to calculate the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration in an inertial frame, assuming initial velocity is zero.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical equation for plotting the world line and references external resources for further reading.
  • Some participants describe the geometric nature of the curves of constant proper acceleration as hyperbolas with lightlike asymptotes and draw parallels to Euclidean circles.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the orthogonality of lines through the center of hyperbolas, comparing it to Euclidean geometry.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the hyperbola represents a curve of constant curvature in the Minkowski metric, contrasting it with parabolas in a Galilean metric.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a clearer understanding of the reasoning behind the hyperbolic nature of the world line, indicating uncertainty about the meaning of constant proper acceleration.
  • Another participant discusses Rindler coordinates and their implications for maintaining lengths in the rest frame of the accelerating object.
  • Several participants engage in clarifying the distinction between the "what" of the world line and the "why" behind its curvature, with some suggesting that the latter may lead to philosophical discussions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the properties of world lines and the implications of constant proper acceleration. There is no consensus on the best approach to prove that these curves are hyperbolas, and some participants have differing interpretations of the concepts discussed.

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Some participants indicate confusion about the definitions and implications of terms like "constant proper acceleration," and there are references to external resources that may not be universally accepted or understood among all participants.

  • #31
DrGreg said:
So we can write

<br /> \Lambda_{\phi} = e^{Z\phi}<br />​

Indeed :smile:

Regards, Hans
 
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kev said:
That looks a LOT like the polar equation for a logarithimic spiral http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LogarithmicSpiral.html . Do you think there is any connection?
Note that Z is a matrix here...e^{Z\phi} ~=~ I~+~Z\phi ~+~ \frac{1}{2!}Z^2\phi^2~+~ \frac{1}{3!}Z^3\phi^3~+~ \frac{1}{4!}Z^4\phi^4~+~ \frac{1}{5!}Z^5\phi^5 ...

But higher powers of Z simply become either Z or Z^2

Z~ = Z^3 = Z^5 = ... = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{array}\right)

Z^2 = Z^4 = Z^6 = ... = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> \end{array}\right)

and therefor:

e^{Z\phi} ~=~ I ~+~ \sinh(\phi)\left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{array}\right) ~+~ (\cosh(\phi)-1)\left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> \end{array}\right) ~=~ \left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> \cosh\phi &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; \sinh\phi \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \sinh\phi &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; \cosh\phi \\<br /> \end{array}\right)
Regards, Hans
 

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