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The discussion revolves around the process of applying to American universities as a permanent resident (Green Card holder) from Egypt. Participants explore how GPA will be calculated, the classification as a domestic or international student, and scholarship opportunities available to permanent residents.

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  • One participant questions how GPA will be calculated for a high school education completed in Egypt, wondering if it will be based on U.S. tests or an equivalent GPA from their home country.
  • Another participant suggests contacting university admissions staff for clarity on GPA calculations and scholarship requirements.
  • Some participants note that permanent residents are considered domestic students for admissions and tuition purposes, but express uncertainty about how foreign grading systems are evaluated.
  • It is mentioned that standardized tests like the SAT and TOEFL are required, independent of high school grades.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of GPA conversion scales and their effectiveness in reflecting a student's preparation and performance.
  • Participants discuss the availability of scholarships for permanent residents, indicating that some fellowships may require citizenship while others may be open to permanent residents.
  • There is a question about the likelihood of receiving scholarships being independent of GPA and SAT scores.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that permanent residents are treated as domestic students, but there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the implications of foreign high school education on GPA calculations and scholarship eligibility.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of relying on GPA conversion services and the need for official translations of foreign transcripts, indicating that these processes may not adequately represent a student's qualifications.

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Hello there,
First of all I'd like you to know that
I'm a permanent resident (Green Card holder), I'm going to graduate from high school in Egypt next year,
I'm looking forward to applying for a college in the states, but I've been wondering how will they calculate my GPA, will my GPA be based on certain tests I have to do in the U.S, or will they calculate an equivalent GPA according to my grade in Egypt? Will the college deal with me as an international student although I'm a permanent resident? AND if I'm applying for a scholarship what are the requirements?
 
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For your first question, I think you should ask the admissions staffs of the universities you are applying to.

In large public universities, there are many scholarships for international/non-citizen students. If you are planning to attend such universities, I recommend you that you apply as much as can, and also look for trait-specific scholarships (ethnicity, interest in the field of studies, disabilities, etc...). Unfortunately, permanent residents are assessed out-of-state tuition, which is less expensive than non-resident but more expensive than in-state.

For small private universites/liberal arts colleges, I cannot tell you too much, but I assume there are scholarships that may apply to you, just like the ones in large public universities. Good thing is that citizens and non-citizens are due same tuition.
 
Disclaimer: I'm a grad student. When you're a PR you are considered a domestic student and held to the same standards as an American student for admissions purposes and pay the same fees. But if your country's grading system is different from the US (as was mine), all you can do is get an official English translation of your degree and grades to accompany your transcript and hope for the best. I would not bother with GPA conversion scales or conversion services, they vary wildly and are IME a poor reflection of preparation/performance. Let the department you are applying to look at your application as it is.

You will have to take the SAT's and TOEFL, these are independent of your high school grades.

I also happen to have received a fellowship as a PR. Some fellowships/scholarships (ie: NSF, NASA) require citizenship, but some departmental/university scholarships are also open to permanent residents.
 
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Disclaimer: I'm a grad student. When you're a PR you are considered a domestic student and held to the same standards as an American student for admissions purposes and pay the same fees. But if your country's grading system is different from the US (as was mine), all you can do is get an official English translation of your degree and grades to accompany your transcript and hope for the best. I would not bother with GPA conversion scales or conversion services, they vary wildly and are IME a poor reflection of preparation/performance. Let the department you are applying to look at your application as it is.

You will have to take the SAT's and TOEFL, these are independent of your high school grades.

I also happen to have received a fellowship as a PR. Some fellowships/scholarships (ie: NSF, NASA) require citizenship, but some departmental/university scholarships are also open to permanent residents.
The likelihood of receiving a scholarship is independent of the GPA, SAT grade ??

And are you sure I'll be a domestic student as long as I'm a PR although my high school was in a foreign country ??
 
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