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The discussion revolves around the transmutation processes in fast reactors, specifically sodium-cooled fast reactors (SFR) and advanced burner reactors (ABR). Participants inquire about operational modes of fast reactors, calculation methods for transuranics conversion ratios, and the implications of fuel composition on transmutation outcomes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a fast reactor can operate in multiple modes (burner, breeder, converter) or if it is designed for a specific mode, particularly in relation to the use of MOX fuel.
  • There is discussion on how to calculate the transuranics conversion ratio, with differing formulas proposed by participants, including one that considers the mass of transuranics at the end of cycle (EOC) versus the beginning of cycle (BOC).
  • One participant suggests that for burning transuranics, using only plutonium without uranium may be preferable to avoid the long-lived isotopes produced from U-238 transmutation.
  • Another participant provides a revised formula for the transuranics conversion ratio, emphasizing the need to consider the total heavy metal mass destroyed and the total transuranic mass destroyed.
  • There is contention regarding the accuracy of the proposed formulas, with some participants arguing that the destruction of U-238 should not be directly included in the conversion ratio calculation.
  • Participants mention various fuel types used in fast reactors, including mixed oxide (MOX), mixed carbide, and others, noting the complexities involved in their compositions and transmutation behaviors.
  • References to IAEA publications and resources are shared for further reading on fast reactor technology and transmutation processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the operational modes of fast reactors and the appropriate methods for calculating transuranics conversion ratios. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the calculations and implications of fuel composition.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about fuel compositions, the complexity of transmutation processes, and the need for precise definitions in calculations. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, and the implications of various isotopes are not fully explored.

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Hello, I have a few questions regarding the transmutation processes inside fast reactors. I would appreciate your help. I am doing some work at the university about SFR and ABR.

First of all, I know that fast reactors can operate in 3 modes: burner, breeder and converter (halfway between burner and breeder). My question is, can the same reactor operate in any of these ways, or are they only designed for one specific mode? If you put MOX fuel, does it mean that you want it to operate in breeder mode?

Another thing is, how do you calculate the transuranics conversion ratio? I am currently doing (mass of transuranics at EOC)/(mass of transuranics at BOC) but I don't know if this is correct.

Also, if your objective is to burn transuranics, should you put just Plutonium and no Uranium in the fuel? Because if you put Uranium, then the U-238 transmutes to U-237 through n,2n, then decays beta into Np-237 which is very inconvenient because it has a very long half life.

Also, could you please give me some good internet bibliography about SFRs? Google is not really helpful.

Thanks.
 
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Cactor said:
Hello, I have a few questions regarding the transmutation processes inside fast reactors. I would appreciate your help. I am doing some work at the university about SFR and ABR.

First of all, I know that fast reactors can operate in 3 modes: burner, breeder and converter (halfway between burner and breeder). My question is, can the same reactor operate in any of these ways, or are they only designed for one specific mode? If you put MOX fuel, does it mean that you want it to operate in breeder mode?

Another thing is, how do you calculate the transuranics conversion ratio? I am currently doing (mass of transuranics at EOC)/(mass of transuranics at BOC) but I don't know if this is correct.

Also, if your objective is to burn transuranics, should you put just Plutonium and no Uranium in the fuel? Because if you put Uranium, then the U-238 transmutes to U-237 through n,2n, then decays beta into Np-237 which is very inconvenient because it has a very long half life.
The mode depends on the fuel design and core design (e.g., size of blanket), and proportions of Pu and TU isotopes, and enrichment. It's a matter of balancing Ʃf and Ʃa within the fuel assembly, among fuel assembly, and among regions of the core.

The breeder/conversion ratio should be determined by the TU content at discharge of fuel, but not on the entire core, since some of the fuel is retained for one or more additional cycles.

Fast reactors generally use MOX fuel with about 20% fissile content, although the fissile content may vary (+/-). Usually MOX is (U,Pu)O2, where the Pu(239,240,241,242) and perhaps some Am, Cm is diluted in a matrix of natural or depleted UO2, so one still has to deal with the transmutation of U235 and U238. Usually, for a breeder reactor, the intent is to convert U-238 to fissile Pu for future use.

Fast reactors can also use mixed carbide (MC) fuel, mixed nitride (MN) fuel, mixed carboxide (MCO) fuel, metal fuel (e.g., (U,Pu)Mo), and combinations, e.g., cermet, or cer-cer fuel. (U,Pu)ZrC is another possibility and represents fissile material dispersed in an inert matrix.

IAEA has some TECDOC's on fast reactor technology and experience, transmutation and fuel cycle matters. I'll try to post links later.

Update: Look for Recent Publications on this page - http://www.iaea.org/NuclearPower/FR/
Click on the links and one can find a link to a free pdf that one can download (use Save Target As)

See also - http://www.iaea.org/INPRO/publications/index.html - for some reports on Innovative fuel and fuel cycles
 
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Ok, I just realized that my formula to calculate the transuranics conversion ratio was wrong.

It should be:

TRU.CR.= (HMD-TRUD)/TRUD

Where HMD is total heavy metal mass destroyed and TRUD is total transuranic mass destroyed. Or, to make it simple, it is like:

TRU.CR.= U-238 destroyed / Pu-239 destroyed
 
Cactor said:
Ok, I just realized that my formula to calculate the transuranics conversion ratio was wrong.

It should be:

TRU.CR.= (HMD-TRUD)/TRUD

Where HMD is total heavy metal mass destroyed and TRUD is total transuranic mass destroyed. Or, to make it simple, it is like:

TRU.CR.= U-238 destroyed / Pu-239 destroyed
That doesn't seem quite correct.

The conversion ratio should be related to quantity of TRU destroyed divided by the initial quantity or the total TRU, which would include the initial and that which is produced during the process.

U-238 does undergo fast fission as well as neutron capture. The destruction of U-238 should not be considered in TRU conversion directly, but only the portion which becomes TRU during the process, which is the TRU production part.
 
Astronuc said:
That doesn't seem quite correct.

The conversion ratio should be related to quantity of TRU destroyed divided by the initial quantity or the total TRU, which would include the initial and that which is produced during the process.

U-238 does undergo fast fission as well as neutron capture. The destruction of U-238 should not be considered in TRU conversion directly, but only the portion which becomes TRU during the process, which is the TRU production part.

I made a very coarse approximation in the second formula. It's an hipotethical case in which you only have U-238 and Pu-239. All Uranium transofmrs into Plutonium, and all Plutonium undergoes fission. This approximation is not so far from reality.

The TRU.CR is, in theory = TRU atoms produced / TRU atoms destroyed through the cycle. You don't care about the initial or final amount, you just want what's been produced divided by what's been destroyed.

My source of information is:

Description of Transmutation Library for Fuel Cycle System Analyses
Steven J. Piet
Samuel E. Bays
Edward A. Hoffman
August 2010

Page 16

(sorry I can't put links)

I know that U-238 can undergo fission, but I lack that information for my calculations, so I approximate and say that they only absorb neutrons.
 

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