Questions about Pressure and a nozzle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design considerations for a nozzle system used in cleaning plastic pallets, focusing on the effectiveness of different nozzle configurations, pump requirements, and the impact of nozzle design on cleaning performance. It includes technical aspects related to pressure, flow rate, and nozzle arrangement.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that having multiple nozzles can lead to faster cleaning, provided they are properly spaced and designed to cover the pallet area effectively.
  • Others argue that fewer nozzles with larger coverage may be more efficient, though this could require a more powerful pump and increased maintenance.
  • It is proposed that a pump capable of delivering a total flow rate of 34.92 lpm would be necessary if using 9 nozzles, maintaining the same pressure across each nozzle.
  • Some participants note that the impact pressure at the pallet surface will be approximately equal to the inlet pressure if the distance from the nozzle is not excessive, but suggest that a conical nozzle design may improve coverage.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of using a single line of fan pattern nozzles with a moving pallet system as a potentially simpler and less expensive solution.
  • Concerns are raised about various factors affecting the spraying system, including stream direction, droplet size, and flow rate.
  • It is mentioned that a larger diameter piping system is necessary to maintain pressure and flow rate at the nozzles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that multiple nozzles can enhance cleaning efficiency if designed correctly, but there is no consensus on the optimal configuration or approach, with competing views on the number and type of nozzles to use.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the material being cleaned and the specific design of the nozzle system, which may affect performance outcomes. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of nozzle performance or the best practices for nozzle arrangement.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals involved in industrial cleaning processes, engineers designing nozzle systems, and those interested in optimizing cleaning efficiency for similar applications may find this discussion relevant.

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Good day everyone. I have a few question that I would like to confirm. Currently I am doing a project that rinses a plastic pallet.
The type of nozzle I am looking at is a 65 degree full cone nozzle. Pressure = 0.7 MPa. Flowrate = 3.88 lpm.
Pallet size is 1300mm x 1300mm x 100mm.

Q1. Is it better to have more nozzles with smaller coverage or lesser nozzles with bigger coverage ?
I think the way to go is to have fewer nozzle with bigger coverage. More nozzles would means that I would need a bigger power pump to sustain all the nozzles? And also more maintenance required.

Q2. Let say I have 9 nozzles, I will need to get a pump capable of pumping a flow rate of 3.88x9 =34.92lpm to maintain the 0.7 MPa in each nozzle, yes?

Q3. Is there anyway to determine the impact force and reach of the nozzle ? Like after a x distance how much pressure/force am I actually getting.
 
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Q1. Clearly, multiple nozzles will clean faster; but only if they are properly spaced with a well designed piping manifold for covering the area of the pallet.
Another consideration is the properties of the material being cleaned from the pallet(s). The more difficult the material is to remove the more critical it will be to use a well spaced set of multiple nozzles to get equal cleaning force across the the full surface of the pallet(s).

Q2. Yes, you will need a larger capacity pump in order for each of the multiple nozzles to deliver the same performance as a single nozzle. In addition to the need for a larger pump for equal nozzle performance (flow and pressure) you may also need a larger diameter piping system feeding the nozzles.

Q3. For a straight discharge stream nozzle, as long as the distance from the nozzle(s) is not very long, the impact pressure at the point of contact on the pallet will be roughly equal to the inlet pressure to each nozzle; however, in order to get good coverage you may want to use some form of a conical nozzle design. One advantage of a multiple nozzle array is that you can still get good coverage,even if the distance from the nozzles to the pallet surface very short. For answers regarding actual nozzle performance it is best to contact a nozzle suppler, they will be best suited to assist you with the specifics of the best selection of nozzle design, nozzle spacing vs nozzle discharge pattern vs nozzle height,etc for a multiple nozzle arrangement.
 
Addendum to my above post.

After thinking about the issue I think a possibly better, simpler and less expensive solution for cleaning the pallets might be to use a single line of fan pattern nozzles and move the pallet being cleaned thru the spray line at an appropriate speed on a set rollers.
 
There are many concerns when specifying a spraying system for cleaning - direction of the stream, droplet size, flow rate, etc. I suggest that you contact an application engineer at Spraying Systems Company, www.spray.com. I have used a number of their products, and they performed as advertised.
 
JBA said:
Q1. Clearly, multiple nozzles will clean faster; but only if they are properly spaced with a well designed piping manifold for covering the area of the pallet.
Another consideration is the properties of the material being cleaned from the pallet(s). The more difficult the material is to remove the more critical it will be to use a well spaced set of multiple nozzles to get equal cleaning force across the the full surface of the pallet(s).

Q2. Yes, you will need a larger capacity pump in order for each of the multiple nozzles to deliver the same performance as a single nozzle. In addition to the need for a larger pump for equal nozzle performance (flow and pressure) you may also need a larger diameter piping system feeding the nozzles.

Q3. For a straight discharge stream nozzle, as long as the distance from the nozzle(s) is not very long, the impact pressure at the point of contact on the pallet will be roughly equal to the inlet pressure to each nozzle; however, in order to get good coverage you may want to use some form of a conical nozzle design. One advantage of a multiple nozzle array is that you can still get good coverage,even if the distance from the nozzles to the pallet surface very short. For answers regarding actual nozzle performance it is best to contact a nozzle suppler, they will be best suited to assist you with the specifics of the best selection of nozzle design, nozzle spacing vs nozzle discharge pattern vs nozzle height,etc for a multiple nozzle arrangement.

The good thing is that the material that is being clean or clear is not really hard to remove. Can I say that a larger diameter piping system purpose is to maintain the pressure and flowrate?

JBA said:
Addendum to my above post.

After thinking about the issue I think a possibly better, simpler and less expensive solution for cleaning the pallets might be to use a single line of fan pattern nozzles and move the pallet being cleaned thru the spray line at an appropriate speed on a set rollers.

Yes, this was what I proposed at first. Sadly, there's a space constraint, I am limited to pushing and pulling the pallet into the washer manually. :\

Thank you sir! Your input is greatly appreciated!
 
jrmichler said:
There are many concerns when specifying a spraying system for cleaning - direction of the stream, droplet size, flow rate, etc. I suggest that you contact an application engineer at Spraying Systems Company, www.spray.com. I have used a number of their products, and they performed as advertised.

Right right, will talk to them. Thank god, they have a local rep in my country.
Thanks ya!
 
Yes, the larger piping diameter will be to maintain flow rate and pressure at the nozzles.
 

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