Understanding the Arg Function: Evaluating, Usage & Properties

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The discussion revolves around the Arg function in the context of complex numbers, specifically its evaluation, usage, and properties. Participants explore its geometric interpretation, mathematical definitions, and implications in various operations involving complex numbers.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the Arg function, asking for its definition, evaluation methods, applications, and properties.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for Arg(z) involving logarithms and explains its utility in simplifying multiplication of complex numbers.
  • There is a discussion about different representations of complex numbers, highlighting the advantages of trigonometric forms for multiplication.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Arg function can be defined as the angle between a point and the x-axis, providing a geometric interpretation.
  • Concerns are raised about the principal argument and its range, noting that it should be confined to (-π, π].
  • Some participants challenge the assertion that Arg(a b) = Arg(a) + Arg(b) for all cases, suggesting that this may not hold true under certain definitions.
  • There is a cautionary note regarding the use of the arctangent function for calculating the argument, particularly in cases where it may yield undefined results.

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Participants express both agreement and disagreement on various aspects of the Arg function. While some definitions and interpretations are accepted, there is no consensus on the validity of certain properties and the conditions under which they hold.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of understanding the principal argument and the limitations of using the arctangent function for calculating the argument, indicating potential unresolved mathematical nuances.

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We are doing complex numbers, polar coordinates, Euler's formula etc in class and there is this thing called the Argument (Arg) function. I am having trouble understanding what this is. This is a new concept and sadly my notes aren't much help. So could someone kindly answer the following questions.
what is this function?
How do I evaluate it?
Where is it used?
Are there any properties of this function I should know about?
Anything for further reading is also appreciated but keep in mind that this is the first I am seeing all this stuff. No wikipedia please because math on wikipedia doesn't make sense to me with all those complicated equations and symbols that I have never seen before.

Here is a sample question from my assignment just to make sure I am getting my message across properly. Feel free to use it as an example if you want.
z1 = \pi/8
z2 = 3\pi/4
find Arg (z1z2)

Answer is 7\pi/8
which just seems like simple addition so why go through all this trouble with Arg?
 
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\text{Arg}(z)=-\imath \log \left( \dfrac{z}{|{z}|} \right)=2 \arctan \left(\dfrac{\Im{(z)}}{|{z}|+\Re{(x)}}\right)

The reason for introducing it is that complex numbers in geometric form are easier to multiply. This is because arg is a logarithm of the unit scaled numer. In particular

Arg(a b)=Arg(a)+Arg(b)
 
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in the third expression what are those fancy symbols which look like J and R
 
Those are the real and imaginary parts of z.

In your example, I believe it should read
Arg(z1) = \pi/8
Arg(z2) = 3\pi/4
find Arg (z1z2)

There are different ways to represent complex numbers. If we will be adding them the algebraic form is best
z1=a1+i b1
z2=a2+i b2
z1+z2=(a1+a2)+i (b1+b2)

If we are multiplying, the trigonometric (which is related to exponential) form is best
z1=r1(cos θ1+sin θ1)
z2=r2(cos θ2+sin θ2)
z1 z2=(r1 r2)((cos (θ1+θ2)+sin (θ1+θ2)))

notice that if
z=r(cos θ+sin θ)
r=z/|z|
θ=Arg(z)
 
My bad about the question. Thanks for help I understand all this now.
 
lurflurf said:
\text{Arg}(z)=\log \left( \dfrac{z}{|{z}|} \right)

You missed out a factor of ##-i## there, I think.
 
There is no need to memorize all those logarithm functions if you don't want to.

The way I define Arg is just as the angle between a point and the x-axis. So in the following picture:

220px-Complex_number_illustration_modarg.svg.png


the number \varphi would be the argument.

Now, using trigonometric formulas, you can find easy formulas for the argument. For example, let's say that you have the point 1+10i. This corresponds to (1,10). So if we work in the triangle (0,0), (1,0), (1,10), then we can find the argument by

\tan \varphi= \frac{10}{1}=10

So then you can find \varphi easily.

It might be also good to remark that the principal argument is always a number in (-\pi,\pi].
So if you ever get an argument equal to 3\pi, then the principal argument is \pi (note that 3\pi and \pi correspond to the same angle!).
 
^yes thank you.
 
lurflurf said:
In particular

Arg(a b)=Arg(a)+Arg(b)

This is not true for general a and b. At least, not if you take the principal argument. If you define argument as a multivalued function, then it is true.
 
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So basically Arg is just the angle \varphi in rei\varphi given by tan-1 b/a. a and b come from a+bi
 
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wahaj said:
So basically Arg is just the angle \varphi in rei\varphi given by tan-1 b/a. a and b come from a+bi

Yes, but you need to be careful with that. For example, when calculating the argument of i that way. You would get \tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{0}) which is meaningless. On the other hand, Arg(i)=\frac{pi}{2} is easy to see.

Also, you need to take care that Arg(z) is always in the interval (-\pi,\pi] (or whatever standard you have defined in class). The \tan^{-1} function might not always do the right job for that (depending on how things are defined).

So don't just memorize \tan^{-1}(\frac{b}{a}), but rather try to think if your answer makes sense.
 
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Alright. Thank you all for the help
 

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