Questions from Quantum Measurements

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The discussion revolves around quantum measurements, specifically focusing on the interpretation of measurement outcomes, particularly when an eigenvalue is 0. Participants reference problems from MIT OpenCourseWare and express confusion regarding the implications of a measurement outcome being 0 and how it relates to the posterior state of a qubit. The conversation includes attempts to apply quantum gates and the Born Rule to solve related problems.

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of a measurement outcome being 0 and question how an eigenvalue can be 0. There are attempts to clarify the implications of eigenvalues in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Pauli Y matrix and its notation. Some participants express the need for a complete problem formulation to better understand the questions posed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on definitions and concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of eigenvalues and the need for clear definitions in physics. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, particularly concerning the implications of a 0 eigenvalue.

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There is a noted lack of complete problem formulation, which hinders the ability to address the questions effectively. Participants emphasize the importance of defining symbols and terms that may not be standard in physics to facilitate understanding.

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Please check the attached screenshots for the questions.
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Spectral Decomposition of Y, Probability of a Measurement Outcome and Posterior State Formula
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The questions are from MIT OCW. First of all, I cannot understand what is the meaning of the measurement outcome being 0. How can an eigenvalue be 0? I tried doing the problems guessing that by 0 they mean the posterior state will be |0>. The only correct answer I got was for the first part of the second problem. I first wrote the state of the first qubit after passing through the first Hadamard gate. Then I wrote the tensor product state of the two qubits. After that, I applied the cNOT gate on the second qubit and then again the Hadamard gate on the first qubit. Then I used Born Rule to find the probability of the first qubit being in |0>. But I cannot get the answer for the other two parts using this method. Same problem for the first question.

It would be great if someone can help me out. Thank you in advance.
 

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Hi, everyone.

Please check the following two questions.

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The questions are from MIT OCW. First of all, I cannot understand what is the meaning of the measurement outcome being 0. How can an eigenvalue be 0? I tried doing the problems guessing that by 0 they mean the posterior state will be |0>. The only correct answer I got was for the first part of the second problem. I first wrote the state of the first qubit after passing through the first Hadamard gate. Then I wrote the tensor product state of the two qubits. After that, I applied the cNOT gate on the second qubit and then again the Hadamard gate on the first qubit. Then I used Born Rule to find the probability of the first qubit being in |0>. But I cannot get the answer for the other two parts using this method. Same problem for the first question.

It would be great if someone can help me out. Thank you in advance.

Regards

Annwoy Roy Choudhury
 
Please give a complete problem formulation. If we don't know, what ##Y## is, we can't answer any of the questions!

What do you think is a problem of a eigenvalue 0? Take, e.g., ##\hat{S}_z## of a spin-1 particle. It has the eigenvalues 1, 0, -1. In the corresponding eigenbasis the corresponding matrix is
$$\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 &-1 \end{pmatrix}.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
Please give a complete problem formulation. If we don't know, what ##Y## is, we can't answer any of the questions!

What do you think is a problem of a eigenvalue 0? Take, e.g., ##\hat{S}_z## of a spin-1 particle. It has the eigenvalues 1, 0, -1. In the corresponding eigenbasis the corresponding matrix is
$$\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 &-1 \end{pmatrix}.$$
Y is Pauli Y matrix.

0 eigenvalue is common for every linear transformation for (0,0,0). So it is a trivial case. And in these questions, even if they mean that the eigenvalue is 0, then what is the method to do the problems?
 
What is "Pauli Y matrix". You HAVE TO clearly define symbols in physics, that are not standard! Otherwise nobody can understand, what's the problem.
 
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vanhees71 said:
What is "Pauli Y matrix". You HAVE TO clearly define symbols in physics, that are not standard! Otherwise nobody can understand, what's the problem.
I apologise.

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This is the Pauli Y matrix.
 
Few Information:

1. X and Y are written in the {∣0⟩,∣1⟩} X = |0><1| + |1><0| and Y = |0><1| - |1><0|

2. ∣+⟩=(1/√2)*(∣0⟩+∣1⟩)
 
ARoyC said:
I apologise.

View attachment 329075This is the Pauli Y matrix.
The usual notation for that is ##\sigma_y##.
 
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PeroK said:
The usual notation for that is ##\sigma_y##.
I am sorry. The screenshots of the questions are directly from MIT OCW. So, I had nothing to do with it.
 
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ARoyC said:
0 eigenvalue is common for every linear transformation for (0,0,0). So it is a trivial case. And in these questions, even if they mean that the eigenvalue is 0, then what is the method to do the problems?
By definition, an eigenvector is a non-zero vector satisfying ##T \vec x = \lambda \vec x##. While ##\vec x## has to be non-zero, there's no condition on ##\lambda##.
 
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vanhees71 said:
What is "Pauli Y matrix".

PeroK said:
The usual notation for that is ##\sigma_y##.

I think this depends on context, and that it is not unusual to see X, Y, Z in quantum computing books, or quantum books that have substantial sections on quantum computing. I am not entirely sure, and I ould like to check my books, but I'm at my in-laws, and thus separated from my books by several thousand kilometres. As compensation, my mother-in-law made some wonderful aloo paratha for me.
 
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George Jones said:
As compensation, my mother-in-law made some wonderful aloo paratha for me.
I'm quite partial to saag aloo myself.
 
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Without a Gulab Jamoón, Kuch Nahi.
Edit: But, yes, eigenvalues can be 0, eigenvectors not the 0 vector. The eigenvalues will actually be 0 when the matrix is singular, almost by definition.
 
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