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We know the rule of cross product
Why here |absinΘ| =
Thanks for explanation.
The discussion revolves around the calculus of crystal structures, specifically focusing on the geometric relationships involving vectors, cross products, and dot products in the context of parallelepiped volume calculations. Participants explore the mathematical expressions related to these concepts, including the area of the base and the height of the parallelepiped.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretations of the mathematical expressions and their implications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and relationships of the terms involved.
Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of certain terms and the assumptions underlying their equations. There are unresolved questions about the notation and the proper treatment of vectors versus scalars in the context of the discussion.
|a||b|sinθ is the area of the base, and is also the magnitude of the cross product of ##\vec{a}## and ##\vec{b}## -- i.e., |##\vec{a}## X ##\vec{b}|##. |c|cosφ gives the height of the parallelipiped. The product of the area of the base and the height gives the volume of the cell.mysci said:View attachment 79881
We know the rule of cross productView attachment 79882 or![]()
Why here |absinΘ| = View attachment 79883 , and View attachment 79884 = c cos Φ in the above picture?
Mark44 said:|a||b|sinθ is the area of the base, and is also the magnitude of the cross product of ##\vec{a}## and ##\vec{b}## -- i.e., |##\vec{a}## X ##\vec{b}|##. |c|cosφ gives the height of the parallelipiped. The product of the area of the base and the height gives the volume of the cell.
|a x b| is a scalar, while |a x b|n is a vector that points straight up, and that whose magnitude is the area of the base. If you dot this vector (|a x b|n) with c, you get the volume. One definition for the dot product of a and b is ##a \cdot b = |a| |b| cos(\theta)##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors. In your problem, the angle is ##\phi##.mysci said:Thanks.
Yes, but why not |axb|, is |axb|(unit vector n) in third step?
mysci said:absinΘ and |axbl are also magnitudes, but |axb|(unit vector n) is a vector. absinΘ = |axb| ≠ |axb|(unit vector n) = vector a x vector b.
However, here absinΘ = |axb|(unit vector n). I don't understand this.
On the other hand, ccosφ is the height of parallelogram, how to change it to vector c? I don't understand it as well.
Thanks.
Mark44 said:|a x b| is a scalar, while |a x b|n is a vector that points straight up, and that whose magnitude is the area of the base. If you dot this vector (|a x b|n) with c, you get the volume. One definition for the dot product of a and b is ##a \cdot b = |a| |b| cos(\theta)##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors. In your problem, the angle is ##\phi##.
Thanks.Mark44 said:I use LaTeX. Put either two # symbols at the front and two more at the end (for inline) or two $ symbols front and back (for standalone).
Here I'm adding an extra space between each pair so you can see what it looks like without being rendered: # #\vec{a}# #
Removing the spaces gives ##\vec{a}##
Should be |a||b|sinθ = |a x b|. a and b are vectors, so ab is not defined. Both sides of the equation should be scalars, which is why you have the magnitudes (absolute values).mysci said:Thanks.
Then
I got following,
absinΘ = |axb|
The right side is a scalar because it's a dot product, so the left side needs to be a scalar as well.mysci said:ccosΦ = n·c
mysci said:Is it right?
Thank you.Mark44 said:Should be |a||b|sinθ = |a x b|. a and b are vectors, so ab is not defined. Both sides of the equation should be scalars, which is why you have the magnitudes (absolute values).
The right side is a scalar because it's a dot product, so the left side needs to be a scalar as well.
The left side should be |c|cosΦ.