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The discussion revolves around the measurements made by the COBE and Planck missions in observational cosmology, specifically focusing on the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation. Participants explore why COBE measures infrared and microwave radiation instead of visible light, and the significance of measuring light polarization by Planck.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire why COBE measures infrared and microwave radiation instead of visible light, suggesting that the photons being measured have decoupled.
  • One participant notes that COBE specifically measures the Cosmic Microwave Background, which is in the microwave range due to redshift from its original visible light state.
  • Another participant mentions that Planck aims for high-resolution detections of both total intensity and polarization of primordial CMB anisotropies, indicating that polarization measurements provide additional insights.
  • A participant explains that the CMB's original temperature of around 3000K, which would have appeared yellow, has been redshifted to approximately 3K, placing it in the millimeter-microwave range.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between E-mode and B-mode polarization, with E-mode being correlated with temperature differences and B-mode potentially indicating gravitational waves from the early universe.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the details of how polarization measurements contribute to understanding the CMB and the challenges in detecting B-mode polarization signals.
  • There is mention of the EBEX balloon experiment as a potential means to measure B-mode polarization, with expectations for results in the near future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the measurements and implications of the CMB data, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the polarization effects or the significance of the measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexities in measuring polarization, including the mixing of E-mode and B-mode signals due to gravitational lensing, and the limitations of current instruments like Planck in detecting B-mode polarization definitively.

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Can anyone explain:
why COBE measured IR and microwave as opposed to visible light, when surely we are measuring photons that have decoupled?
why Planck is measuring light polarisation?
 
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pleasehelpmeno said:
Can anyone explain:
why COBE measured IR and microwave as opposed to visible light, when surely we are measuring photons that have decoupled?
why Planck is measuring light polarisation?

COBE is specifically measuring the Cosmic Microwave Background which IS microwaves, so of course that's what is being measured. Why is it microwaves? Well, it started out as visible light but has been red-shifted to the microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum.
 
One of Planck's goals:
High resolution detections of both the total intensity and polarization of the primordial CMB anisotropies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_( spacecraft )

I assume the measure of the polarization of the CMB helps us determine more about it, but I'm not sure on the details.
 
pleasehelpmeno said:
Can anyone explain:
why COBE measured IR and microwave as opposed to visible light, when surely we are measuring photons that have decoupled?
why Planck is measuring light polarisation?
While the CMB originally decoupled at around 3000K, which would have appeared rather yellow to our eyes. But our universe has expanded by a little more than a factor of 1000, bringing the temperature of that radiation down from around 3000K down to 3K, which is far, far below the range of visible light. Rather, it's in the millimeter-microwave range.

As for polarization, there are two different effects at work. First, the simple fact that the CMB was emitted from a plasma that was slightly warmer in some areas and slightly cooler in others tends to polarize the light in a particular way: it sets up what is known as E-mode polarization that is tightly correlated with the differences in temperature from place to place on the sky. So the E-mode polarization acts, for the most part, as an independent check on our understanding of the physics that emitted the CMB, and is particularly useful in nailing down just how much of the light from the CMB was absorbed by intervening matter between us and the CMB (answer: about 8-10%).

There is also a B-mode polarization which the plasma physics described above don't produce at all, but can be created by gravitational waves in the early universe. It is possible for inflation to produce such gravitational waves, and a detection of this form of polarization could tell us what the energy scale of inflation was. The difficult is that the B-mode signal is much smaller than the E-mode signal, and gravitational lensing from matter between us and the CMB mixes the much larger E-mode polarization with B-mode polarization.

Our best bet at measuring the B-mode polarization signal in the next few years is the EBEX balloon experiment which just recently launched, and should hopefully be publishing its results in the coming months. Planck will also be releasing its results soon, but it just doesn't have the sensitivity to definitively detect the B-mode polarization signal, barring an exceptionally-high B-mode signal.

You're probably asking by now what the E-mode and B-mode polarization are. Well, consider that when we look at the sky, each place on the sky can be seen as having a direction of polarization. See here, for example:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/32769/1/cmb

The little white lines in that image are the direction (and magnitude) of polarization of the various places on the sky. Most of what you see is polarization from dust in our own galaxy (that can be cleaned up with multi-frequency analysis). Anyway, an E-mode signal is one that only consists of lines entering or exiting some sources with no circular behavior, while a B-mode signal is one that is only composed of lines swirling in circles, with no radial behavior. In technical terms, the E-mode signal is has no curl, while the B-mode signal has no divergence.
 

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