Questions on Rationalizing & Limits: Answers & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits involving rationalization and absolute values, with participants sharing their attempts and interpretations of specific limit problems. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and homework-related queries.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to evaluate the limit \(\lim_{x\to 3}\frac{\sqrt{19-x}-4}{\sqrt{28-x}-5}\) and expresses confusion about obtaining zero.
  • Another suggests rationalizing both the numerator and denominator simultaneously to simplify the limit expression.
  • A participant questions the existence of the limit \(\lim_{x\to 0^{-}}\left(\frac{3}{x}-\frac{3}{|x|}\right)\) and provides a piecewise definition of the absolute value function.
  • One participant claims that their second limit does not exist but later revises their understanding, suggesting it may not be \(-\infty\) as initially thought.
  • Another participant states they obtained \(-\infty\) for a limit and notes that Wolfram Alpha agrees with this result.
  • Several participants engage in clarifying and correcting LaTeX formatting to ensure mathematical expressions are visible and accurate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and evaluation of certain limits, particularly regarding the second limit involving absolute values. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or outcome of these limits.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the limits' existence and the implications of their calculations, indicating that assumptions may be missing or that definitions could affect the outcomes.

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Hi,

I tried rationalizing the first one but I get zero.

\[\lim_{x\to 3}\frac{\sqrt{19-x}-4}{\sqrt{28-x}-5}\]

\[\lim_{x\to 3}\frac{-x-3}{(\sqrt{28-x}-5)(\sqrt{19-x}+4)}\]

Here is my next question.

\[\lim_{x\to 0^{-}}\left(\frac{3}{x}-\frac{3}{|x|}\right)\]

$$f(x)=\begin{cases}-x, & x<0 \\[3pt] x, & 0\le x \\ \end{cases}$$

\[\lim_{x\to 0^{-}}\frac{6}{x}\]

I will post a picture of this later if the $\LaTeX$ didn't work.
 
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Hello and welcome to MHB, tc903! :D

I tried fixing your $\LaTeX$ and I hope I interpreted things correctly.

For the first one, I suggest trying to rationalize both the numerator and the denominator simultaneously:

$$\frac{\sqrt{19-x}-4}{\sqrt{28-x}-5}\cdot\frac{\sqrt{19-x}+4}{\sqrt{19-x}+4}\cdot\frac{\sqrt{28-x}+5}{\sqrt{28-x}+5}$$

Now simplify...do you now have a determinate form?
 
tc903 said:
Hi,

I tried rationalizing the first one but I get zero.

\[\lim_{x\to 3}\frac{\sqrt{19-x}-4}{\sqrt{28-x}-5}\]

\[\lim_{x\to 3}\frac{-x-3}{(\sqrt{28-x}-5)\left(\sqrt{19-x}+4\right)}\]

Here is my next question.

\[\lim_{x\to 0^{-}}\left(\frac{3}{x}-\frac{3}{\left| x \right|}\right)\]

\[f(x)=\begin{cases}-x&\mbox{ when }& x<0\\
x&\mbox{ when } & x\geq 0\end{cases}\]

\[\lim_{x\to 0^{-}}\frac{6}{x}\]

I will post a picture of this later if the latex didnt work.

Hi tc903, :)

I edited your LaTeX code to make the expressions visible but I am not sure whether what I have written is what you had in mind. Let us know whether it needs additional changes.
 
My second question I would assume does not exist but is wrong. I did try rationalizing both the numerator and denominator beforehand. Am I correct?

\[\lim_{{x}\to 3}\frac{\sqrt{28-x}+5}{\sqrt{19-x}+4}=\frac{5}{4}\]
 
It wouldn't let me edit my previous post. I meant 5/4.
 
tc903 said:
It wouldn't let me edit my previous post. I meant 5/4.

I edited your post to fix the $\LaTeX$ and change your result. That looks good to me. :D
 
Thanks MarkFL. I was wondering if you can clear something up with the second question though with the absolute value.
 
tc903 said:
Thanks MarkFL. I was wondering if you can clear something up with the second question though with the absolute value.

What you did in your first post for the second question looks correct to me. You gave the piecewise definition of the absolute value and correctly simplified the limit based on that definition. Now all that is left to do is evaluate the simplified limit. :D
 
I stated it did not exist, but that is wrong. I substituted zero and that would be make it undefined but that is wrong. It isn't - \infty .

It is zero?

Here is a table.

x,y
-1,-6
-2,-3
-3,-2
-4,-3/2
-5,-6/5
-6,-1
-7,-6/7
-8,-3/4
-9,-2/3
-10,-3/5
 
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I get $-\infty$, and W|A agrees. :D
 
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I should have tried that. I just didnt think it was an option because it didnt say I can put it in their. The question usually asks if the limit exists find it. (type so and so for inifinity or for none exist) It had only chosen one of those. Thanks MarkFL!
 

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