Quick easy clarification (redshift vs blue shift)

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of redshift and blueshift, specifically in the context of light wavelengths and frequencies. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these shifts, often using examples to clarify their understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the definitions of redshift and blueshift, asking if a transition from red light (longer wavelength, lower frequency) to green light (shorter wavelength, higher frequency) constitutes a blueshift.
  • Another participant clarifies that a source approaching an observer results in a blueshift, while a receding source results in a redshift, emphasizing the role of wave compression and stretching.
  • Some participants agree that if a red laser appears green due to Doppler shift, it would indeed be a blueshift.
  • There is a discussion about the visibility of green light in the context of Doppler shifts, with one participant questioning whether green is a normal part of the visible spectrum, while another asserts that it is.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the terms "increase" and "decrease" in wavelength refer to the perspective of the source or the observer, using specific wavelength examples to illustrate their confusion.
  • Another participant confirms that a transition from a red wavelength (630 nm) to a green wavelength (530 nm) represents a decrease in wavelength and thus a blueshift.
  • There is a mention of the behavior of light through a prism and how it relates to the Doppler shift, suggesting that a red laser could appear green under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the definitions of redshift and blueshift, but there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of wavelength changes and the visibility of certain colors in the context of Doppler shifts. Multiple competing views are present, particularly concerning the nature of green light in the spectrum and the interpretation of wavelength changes.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of redshift and blueshift, particularly regarding the perspective from which wavelength changes are measured. There are also unresolved questions about the visibility of certain colors in the context of Doppler shifts.

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i just have the two mixed up, and need an example to set it straight...

lets say you're source is a red light (height wavelength, low frequency) to green light (lower wavelength, higher frequency)... that would be a blue shift?

redshift = wavelength (H->L)
frequency (L->H)
blueshift = wavelength (L->H)
frequency (H->L)


... is that right or do i have it backwards?
 
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I'm not quite sure what you're asking. If a source is approaching you, it's blue-shifted. If it's receding, it's red-shifted. Think of it as compressing or stretching the waves relative to your position. Simply changing the colour of something doesn't involve a Doppler shift at all.
 
You are correct though that if a red laser appears as green due to doppler shift, that would be a blueshift.
 
phys-lexic said:
red shift = wavelength (H->L)
frequency (L->H)
blue shift = wavelength (L->H)
frequency (H->L)




... is that right or do i have it backwards?


in a red shift Wavelength would be shorter to longer wavelength
and f higher frequency to lower frequency
red shift higher energy to lower energy photon.
 
cjl said:
You are correct though that if a red laser appears as green due to doppler shift, that would be a blueshift.

I'm not a chromatologist, so I'm not sure about this. I'm fairly certain, though, that green would not appear in a Doppler shift. It's not a normal part of the visible spectrum; it is rather a combination of blue and yellow. I can't see that a red source approaching at a significant percentage of light speed would produce it.

(I'm not sure that 'chromatologist' is an actual job title; I just mean someone who specializes in colour.)
 
Danger said:
I'm fairly certain, though, that green would not appear in a Doppler shift. It's not a normal part of the visible spectrum; it is rather a combination of blue and yellow.
Green (λ ≈ 530 nm) is most definitely part of the "normal" visible spectrum.
 
I stand corrected. Thanks, Doc.
 
Danger said:
I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

I know the concept behind the shifts, i just am not sure what they mean by an increase/decrease in wavelength... do they mean from the source to the observed or from the observed to the source... which is why i gave the example from a source it is 630nm (red) to being observed as 530nm (green), would that be considered an increase in wavelenghth or decrease in wavelength (it depends on what you consider the change to be from and to)

-i agree with doc, green light is most definitely in the "normal" spectrum
 
phys-lexic said:
I know the concept behind the shifts, i just am not sure what they mean by an increase/decrease in wavelength... do they mean from the source to the observed or from the observed to the source... which is why i gave the example from a source it is 630nm (red) to being observed as 530nm (green), would that be considered an increase in wavelenghth or decrease in wavelength (it depends on what you consider the change to be from and to)
That example is a decrease in wavelength (compared to what the source is emitting) and thus is a "blue" shift.

If the source is emitting red light (630nm)--which means that someone traveling along with the source would measure the wavelength to be 630nm--and that source is moving towards you fast enough that you observe the light to have a wavelength of 530nm (green), that is called a "blue" shift, because the observed wavelength is shortened by the relative motion.
 
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ya i was wondering if it would work 2 cause if u put a red laser through a prism u get red out of the other side , but i think with the doppler shift u could still have it look green.
 

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