A silly question about why the sky is blue

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The discussion revolves around the question of why the sky appears blue, focusing on the concepts of light scattering, particularly Rayleigh scattering, and the perception of color in the atmosphere. Participants explore various explanations and visualizations related to this phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that blue wavelengths are scattered more than red, leading to confusion about why red light, which interacts less, does not dominate the view of the sky.
  • Another participant agrees that red light can be seen during sunset due to scattering conditions, explaining that blue light is scattered in various directions, contributing to the blue appearance of the sky.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the sky is primarily composed of scattered light, and without this scattering, the sky would be transparent.
  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with existing explanations and presents a mathematical perspective, noting that only a small percentage of sunlight is scattered, yet this scattered light dominates the appearance of the sky.
  • This participant also highlights the relative size of the sun in the sky compared to the area from which scattered light originates, leading to a humorous conclusion about their calculations.
  • Another participant mentions a newfound appreciation for the Rayleigh scattering explanation after exploring the topic further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and satisfaction with the explanations provided. While some agree on the role of scattering in the sky's color, there is no consensus on the clarity or sufficiency of the explanations offered.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific percentages and calculations regarding the scattering of light, indicating a complexity in understanding the relationship between direct sunlight and scattered light in the atmosphere. There are unresolved assumptions about the visual perception of color and the implications of scattering.

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I know that 'the sky is blue because higher frequency blue wavelengths are scattered more than red'.

What has always confused me is that when I imagine this, I imagine the blue wavelengths bouncing around between atoms in the atomosphete. Whilst red light interacts less, so travels through relatively unimpeded. To me that feels like the red light should be what reaches our eyes as these frequencies can make it through the atmosphere without being scattered.

Obviously I'm wrong. But can someone explain in laymens terms why this picture is incorrect, and what I should be picturing? Thanks.
 
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fando1234 said:
To me that feels like the red light should be what reaches our eyes as these frequencies can make it through the atmosphere without being scattered.
And you're right, and this is exactly what happens when you look at the source of light under high scattering conditions - i.e. at the sun at sunset or sunrise.

Now, imagine somebody else standing some distance away and also looking at the sunset. They will also see a red sun. The blue light scattered from their line of sight towards the star will be bouncing around instead of hitting their eyes, and some of it will enter your eyes instead. You'll see it as coming from random directions that are not the direction towards the sun, i.e. the blue sky.
 
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Sometimes a picture is worth 1000 words.

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fando1234 said:
Whilst red light interacts less, so travels through relatively unimpeded. To me that feels like the red light should be what reaches our eyes as these frequencies can make it through the atmosphere without being scattered.
As others have eloquently pointed out, you're right.

Your question is about the colour of the sky, not the light source.The sky is all scattered light.
If not for scattered light, the sky would be transparent, and we would see black.
 
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I've never liked any of the explanations of this question.
After some googling, and maths, I now know why.

wow

From what I've gathered, only 7% of the light from the sun is scattered.

wiki; "When the Sun is at the zenith in a cloudless sky, with 1361 W/m^2 above the atmosphere, direct sunlight is about 1050 W/m^2, and total insolation about 1120 W/m^2. This implies that under these conditions the diffuse radiation is only about 70 W/m2 out of the original 1361 W/m^2."

Hence, 93% of the "direct" light isn't scattered.

But!
100% of the "not looking directly at the sun" sky is a result of that 7% scattered light.

But!
The sun only covers 0.002% of the sky.
The scattered light comes from 99.998% of the sky.

Which, from my last equation, yielded that 350,000% of the light is scattered.
At which point, I gave up, and made lunch.

ps. I now like the "It's because of 'Rayleigh scattering' " explanation quite a bit more.
 
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