Quick question about impedance paradox

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The discussion revolves around calculating the effective current in a parallel circuit with a coil and a resistor. Two methods were attempted: one using impedance values directly and another considering the phase difference between the coil and resistor. The first method yielded an impedance of 18.3 Ohms and an effective current of 12.567A, while the second method calculated an effective current of 9.2A. A key point raised is the necessity of using complex numbers for impedance calculations, as simple addition of impedances is incorrect. The user plans to revisit the topic of complex impedances after completing their current work.
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Homework Statement


Hi!
We have a parallel circuit on 230V, 60Hz voltage. One of the parallel's has a 0.0768H coil, the other has a 50 Ohm resistance on it. The question is: What is the effective I in the main current?


Homework Equations


Z = Lw


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OK, so I have two ways of solving this, and they lead to different results, I don't know which isn't correct and why.

#1). The impedance of the resistance is the same, 50 Ohms, while the impedance of the coil is L*w = 0.0768H * 120*pi = 28.868 Ohms. And so for the overall impedance: 1/Z = 1/Z(R) + 1/Z(L) = 1/50 + 1/28.868 = 0.05464 and so Z = 18.3 Ohms. For the effective I in the main current; I(eff) = U/Z = 230V/18.3Ohms = 12.567A.

#2) Since the coil's current is 90 degrees behind the resistance's, it is true that the main current i^2 = i(ZL)^2 + i(ZR)^2, where i(ZL) is the current in the coil and i(ZR) is the current in the resistance at a given point in time. Divide this equation by sqr(2)*sqr(2) to get the same equation for the effective currents: I^2 = I(ZL)^2 + I(ZR)^2.
We have calculated before that Z(L) = 28.868, so I(ZL) = 230/28.868=7.9673A. Z(R) = R = 50, so I(ZR) = 230 / 50 = 4.6A. And so the effective current in the main current is sqr(7.9672^2 + 4.6^2) = 9.2A.

Can anybody please tell me what I did wrong and why is it wrong? Thanks!

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Tusike said:

Homework Equations


Z = Lw

#1). The impedance of the resistance is the same, 50 Ohms, while the impedance of the coil is L*w = 0.0768H * 120*pi = 28.868 Ohms. And so for the overall impedance: 1/Z = 1/Z(R) + 1/Z(L) = 1/50 + 1/28.868 = 0.05464 and so Z = 18.3 Ohms.


You can not simply add up impedances or reciprocal impedances. If you learned about complex impedances, you should handle them as complex numbers. ZL=iwL where i is the imaginary unit. So the reciprocal resultant impedance is 1/Z=1/(iwL)+1/R = 1/R-i/wL. The magnitude is obtained as |1/Z|=sqrt((1/wL)2+(1/R)2), |Z|= 25 ohm
 
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Oh OK I see now. I didn't learn yet about calculating with imaginary numbers, so for now I'll just use my other method, but I'll definitely look into this after I'm finished.

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