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The discussion revolves around several questions related to calculus and trigonometry, particularly focusing on the relationships between acceleration, force, and mass, the use of radians versus degrees in calculus, and the chain rule. Participants share their understanding and seek clarification on these concepts.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the relationship \( a \propto f/m \) given \( f \propto a \) and \( a \propto 1/m \).
  • Another participant explains that while degrees can be used, trigonometric functions like \( \sin x \) and \( \cos x \) are defined using radians, which introduces a proportionality factor when converting between radians and degrees.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the argument in \( \sin(x) \) or \( \cos(x) \) does not have units, proposing that it can be defined on the unit circle or through differential equations.
  • One participant expresses confusion about why degrees are not considered dimensionless, despite being based on the properties of a circle, and another participant responds by stating that radians are simpler and more direct in their definition compared to degrees.
  • Participants acknowledge the complexity of angular measurements other than radians, noting that they involve additional factors.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the definitions and uses of radians and degrees, with some finding the explanations helpful while others still have questions. There is no consensus on the superiority of one angular measurement over another, as different perspectives are presented.

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Some participants indicate that certain explanations are complex or difficult to grasp, highlighting the varying levels of familiarity with the topics discussed.

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Quick random questions to help me clear stuff up :)

Hey
I'm studying for my final exams and oh my have I forgotten a lot of things.
so I have a few questions, answer them If you wish and/or can:

If f [itex]\propto[/itex] a and a [itex]\propto[/itex] 1/m
why can we say that a [itex]\propto[/itex] f/m ??

secondly, I have never understood why only radians can be used in calculus...

thirdly, I'd like to understand why the chain rule works a little better...

thx
 
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lamball1 said:
Hey
I'm studying for my final exams and oh my have I forgotten a lot of things.
so I have a few questions, answer them If you wish and/or can:

If f [itex]\propto[/itex] a and a [itex]\propto[/itex] 1/m
why can we say that a [itex]\propto[/itex] f/m ??

See this post.
secondly, I have never understood why only radians can be used in calculus...

You can use degrees, but ##\sin x## and ##\cos x## and the other trigonometric functions are defined using radians as their arguments, so converting radians to degrees introduces a proportionality factor that you have to remember to account for when you take derivatives or do integrals, etc. Radians are chosen as the standard measure of an angle because they are a dimensionless measure of an angle defined in terms of the properties of a circle; namely, the angle in radians subtended by an arc of length ##s## on a circle of radius ##r## is just ##\theta = s/r##.
 


If x were in degrees then the derivative of sin(x) would be [itex](180/\pi) cos(x)[/itex] while if it is radians the derivative is just cos(x).

But, in fact, I would say that the x in sin(x) or cos(x) does not have units of either radians or degrees- it is not an angle and does not have any units at all just like in [itex]x^2[/itex] or other functions. There are a variety of ways to define the sine and cosine functions so that the argument does not have any units at all. One is to define it on the unit circle: Starting from the point (1, 0), on the unit circle, measure distance t around the circumference of the circle (counterclockwise for positive t, clockwise for negative t). "Cos(t)" is defined as the x-coordinate of the final point, "sin(t)" as the y-coordinate.

It is also possible to define "y= cos(x)" as the function satisfying the 'initial value problem' y''= -y, y(0)= 1, y'(0)= 0 and define y= sin(x) as the function satisfying y''= -y, y(0)= 0, y'(0)= 1. Or define cos(x) as [itex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty (-1)^nx^{2n}/(2n)![/itex] and sin(x) as [itex]\sum_{n=0}^\infty (-1)^n x^{2n+1}/(2n+1)![/itex]
 


Some of it is waay over my head but I got the proportionality though. thx.

"Radians are chosen as the standard measure of an angle because they are a dimensionless measure of an angle defined in terms of the properties of a circle"

why aren't normal degrees dimensionless considering that they're also based on property of a circle (angle for circumference/360)??
 


lamball1 said:
Some of it is waay over my head but I got the proportionality though. thx.

"Radians are chosen as the standard measure of an angle because they are a dimensionless measure of an angle defined in terms of the properties of a circle"

why aren't normal degrees dimensionless considering that they're also based on property of a circle (angle for circumference/360)??
No one denies that normal degrees aren't dimensionless.

Normal degrees, however, and every other angular measurement system other than radians are arguably more COMPLEX than radians, in that radians are strictly equal to the ratio s/r, where "s" is arc length", "r" "radius.
The other angular measurements boils down to different systems of k*s/r, where k is not equal to 1.

Radians are conceptually simplest.
 


thx, I get it
 

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