R computation from 1 independent Riemann tensor component

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Ricci tensor from a single independent Riemann tensor component, specifically ##R^{1}_{212}##. It highlights that the symmetry properties and contraction rules lead to the conclusion that ##R_{11}## and ##R_{22}## can be expressed in terms of fewer components than initially expected. The participants clarify that contraction occurs only with the middle index, which differs from vector contraction with the metric where the position of indices is less critical. This understanding is crucial for correctly applying the definitions of the Ricci tensor, which is defined as ##R_{ab} \equiv R^c_{~acb}##. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing index positions in tensor calculations.
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We have ##R^{1}_{212}## as the single independent Riemann tensor component, and I'm after ##R##. From symmetry properties and contracting we can attain the other non-zero components.

The solution then states that ##R_{11}=R^{1}_{111} + R^{2}_{121}=R^{2}_{121}## .

I thought it would have been
##R_{11}=R^{1}_{111} + R^{2}_{121}+R^{2}_{112}+R^{2}_{211}##

All I can think of then is that the upper indicie can only contract with the middle indice? I've never heard this before though, is that what's going on here?

Similarlly for ##R_{22}=R^{2}_{222} + R^{1}_{212}=R^{2}_{121}## is the solution.

The components ##R^{2}_{211}, R^{2}_{112}, R^{1}_{221}, R^{1}_{122}, ##are the unused components with two 2s, two 1s - if the upper indice only contracts with the middle, these would not come into the formula for any ricci vector...

If someone could let me know if I'm on the right or wrong track here,
cheers !
 
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TSny said:

Ok. so it looks like only the middle indice contracts. But doesn't this differ then from when we contract vectors with the metric, here the position of the indices isn't important is it? When we contract with the metric all that matters is upper and lower? Thanks.
 
binbagsss said:
Ok. so it looks like only the middle indice contracts. But doesn't this differ then from when we contract vectors with the metric, here the position of the indices isn't important is it? When we contract with the metric all that matters is upper and lower? Thanks.

The Ricci tensor is defined as ##R_{ab}\equiv R^c_{~acb}## the contraction is in the middle index.
 

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