R computation from 1 independent Riemann tensor component

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the Ricci tensor from a single independent component of the Riemann tensor, specifically ##R^{1}_{212}##. Participants are exploring the implications of symmetry properties and index contraction in the context of tensor calculus.

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  • Participants are examining the relationships between different components of the Riemann tensor and questioning the rules of index contraction. There is a discussion about whether the upper index can only contract with the middle index and the implications of this for the Ricci tensor components.

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Some participants are seeking clarification on the contraction process and its differences from vector contraction with the metric. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of the Ricci tensor, with references to external resources for further information.

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Participants are considering the constraints imposed by the symmetry of the Riemann tensor and the specific indices involved in contraction, leading to questions about the completeness of the components used in the Ricci tensor calculation.

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We have ##R^{1}_{212}## as the single independent Riemann tensor component, and I'm after ##R##. From symmetry properties and contracting we can attain the other non-zero components.

The solution then states that ##R_{11}=R^{1}_{111} + R^{2}_{121}=R^{2}_{121}## .

I thought it would have been
##R_{11}=R^{1}_{111} + R^{2}_{121}+R^{2}_{112}+R^{2}_{211}##

All I can think of then is that the upper indicie can only contract with the middle indice? I've never heard this before though, is that what's going on here?

Similarlly for ##R_{22}=R^{2}_{222} + R^{1}_{212}=R^{2}_{121}## is the solution.

The components ##R^{2}_{211}, R^{2}_{112}, R^{1}_{221}, R^{1}_{122}, ##are the unused components with two 2s, two 1s - if the upper indice only contracts with the middle, these would not come into the formula for any ricci vector...

If someone could let me know if I'm on the right or wrong track here,
cheers !
 
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TSny said:

Ok. so it looks like only the middle indice contracts. But doesn't this differ then from when we contract vectors with the metric, here the position of the indices isn't important is it? When we contract with the metric all that matters is upper and lower? Thanks.
 
binbagsss said:
Ok. so it looks like only the middle indice contracts. But doesn't this differ then from when we contract vectors with the metric, here the position of the indices isn't important is it? When we contract with the metric all that matters is upper and lower? Thanks.

The Ricci tensor is defined as ##R_{ab}\equiv R^c_{~acb}## the contraction is in the middle index.
 

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