Racing to the Finish: A Boy Paddles from Point 1 to Point 7

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The problem involves a boy paddling his bike from point 1 to point 2 and then coasting to point 7. It explores concepts related to energy conversion and speed at different points along the path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the speed of the bike at various points, considering factors like friction and energy conservation. Questions arise about the nature of potential energy and its role in the scenario.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between pedaling, kinetic energy, and potential energy. Some participants challenge assumptions about energy conservation and speed, while others provide insights into how friction affects the bike's speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the definitions and implications of potential energy in the context of the problem, and there is a mention of the impact of friction on energy dynamics.

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Homework Statement



A boy paddles his bike as fast as he can from point 1 to point 2. At point 2, he releases his feet from the pedal and coasts to point 7.

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a)At which point did he travel fastest?
b)State the energy conversion from point 1 to 2.


________ energy of the boy pedaling --> ________ energy of the bike at point2



Homework Equations



Law of conservation of energy

The Attempt at a Solution



a ) If neglecting friction, then the total energy possessed by the bike should be the same throughout. Hence, the ke at 2-3 and 5-7 are the same and so the speed is the same throughout.

If considering friction, then ke is greatest at 2 so the speed is fastest at 2.


b) kinetic energy of the boy pedalling --> potential energy of the bike

Not sure of the potential energy part... is there a specific name for this
form of potential energy?
 
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physicdummy said:
a ) If neglecting friction, then the total energy possessed by the bike should be the same throughout. Hence, the ke at 2-3 and 5-7 are the same and so the speed is the same throughout.

This is simply not true. There is a net input of energy to the bike from the rider. Have you ridden a bike before? If you pedal hard enough, you accelerate.
 
cepheid said:
This is simply not true. There is a net input of energy to the bike from the rider. Have you ridden a bike before? If you pedal hard enough, you accelerate.

So is the bike fastest at point 2 then? Is potential energy present? As you can tell from my name, I'm a dummy when it comes to physics, so I'd appreciate it if you can shed some light on this!:smile:
 
The potential energy of the bike is a constant. Assuming no friction, pedelling will increase velocity and so that energy will go into increasing the kinetic energy. Including friction, some of the energy of pedelling will go into overcoming friction. Yes, without friction, the bike will be fastest at point 2, where the boy stops pedelling and, neglecting friction, will keep that speed. With friction, the bike will still be fastest at point 2 and then will slow down.
 

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