Radiation Levels at Earth's Poles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the hazards of incoming space radiation at Earth's poles, particularly at ground level, and considers factors such as solar flares, coronal mass ejections, and general space weather. Participants explore the implications for human habitation and the effects of the magnetosphere and ozone layer on radiation exposure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the level of hazard posed by space radiation at the poles, particularly in relation to solar events and normal space weather.
  • Another notes that people live year-round at the South Pole, implying that conditions may be manageable.
  • A participant raises concerns about the ozone layer's depletion, suggesting it increases UV exposure for those living near the poles.
  • There is a discussion about the adaptation of indigenous populations in high northern latitudes to potential increased radiation levels, with a suggestion that surface conditions may be safe from cosmic radiation.
  • One participant speculates whether the weakening of the magnetosphere could lead to more hazardous conditions at the poles in the future, raising questions about the implications for safety.
  • Another participant points out that radiation exposure is significantly higher for individuals flying over the poles due to altitude, questioning the current prevalence of such flights.
  • It is noted that the atmosphere provides a shielding effect against solar and cosmic radiation, which is acknowledged as an important factor in radiation exposure at ground level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of viewpoints, with some agreeing on the safety of surface conditions at the poles while others raise concerns about radiation exposure, particularly for those at higher altitudes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the long-term implications of a weakening magnetosphere.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about radiation levels, the effects of altitude on exposure, and the current state of passenger flights over the poles. The relationship between ozone layer depletion and UV exposure is also not fully explored.

Jaziel
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How dangerous can the solar & cosmic radiation be at the poles - if at all?
Given that the magnetosphere plays a major role in protecting life here on Earth, how hazardous is the incoming space radiation at the poles? Here I mean at ground level, as opposed to being in an airplane. I'm thinking especially about solar flares, coronal mass ejections, and the like, but also 'normal' space weather. Thanks in advance.
 
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People live at the South Pole year round.
 
A serious (possibly) problem for living near a ploe is the hole in the ozone layer, thus increasing UV exposure
 
mathman said:
A serious (possibly) problem for living near a ploe is the hole in the ozone layer, thus increasing UV exposure
Most of the time, people are bundled in parkas and insulated clothing, and usually wear protective eyewear because it is so bright. During winter, folks tend to be indoors, especially in the Antarctic.
 
The same applies to the Inuit and Laplanders in the high northern latitudes. It's just that the thought occurred that they might have adapted over time to any increased radiation levels. Evidently this is not the case.

So in view of the fact that surface conditions at the poles are safe enough in terms of cosmic radiation, clearly this protection doesn't apply to those who regularly fly over the north pole, pilots, cabin crew etc - and this at an altitude of just 13km. Is this a measure of how weak the magnetosphere is at the poles? Or has it something to do with reduced air density? (?)

Just one more question: if, as seems likely, the magnetosphere continues to weaken - 9% during the last two centuries alone according to ESA - could there come a time when surface conditions at the poles end up being even more inhospitable, requiring added protection?

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/radiation-flights-over-north-pole/
 
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Jaziel said:
clearly this protection doesn't apply to those who regularly fly over the north pol
Who is doing this? Presently there are no passsenger flights over the pole. At the peak, there were six per week in each direction.

Radiation in planes is 10x or so the radiation at the surface, just because they are above most of the atmosphere. I'll let Arthur Holly Compton (yes, that Compton) speak to geography: "At sea level the intensity at high latitudes is 14±0.6 percent greater than at the equator; at 2000 m elevation, 22 percent greater; and at 4360 m, 33 percent greater. This variation follows the geomagnetic latitude more closely than the geographic or the local magnetic latitude, and is most rapid between geomagnetic latitudes 25 and 40 degrees"
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Radiation in planes is 10x or so the radiation at the surface, just because they are above most of the atmosphere.
That is interesting. So as well as blocking the worst of UV radiation, the atmosphere really does have a shielding effect when it comes to solar/cosmic radiation, at least here on Earth. Thanks for the explanation.
 

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