Radioactivite decay variance due to distance from the sun?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential variability of radioactive decay rates due to factors such as distance from the sun and the influence of the heliosphere. Participants explore the implications of this variability, particularly in relation to data from spacecraft like the Viking and the Pioneer probes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that radioactive decay rates might vary due to the steady distance from the sun and the influence of the heliosphere, suggesting that this could be tested using data from Viking spacecraft.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism, suggesting that observed variations might be due to seasonal changes in detector performance rather than actual fluctuations in decay rates.
  • This participant also notes concerns about the reliability of the original data analysis and mentions a history of unverified claims by the authors of the original study.
  • A third participant comments on the potential detectability of a predicted 5% effect in power output from the Pioneer and Voyager probes, implying that significant fluctuations should be observable if they exist.
  • They reference specific power output measurements from Voyager spacecraft to argue that any significant variation should be detectable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the original claims regarding radioactive decay variability. While some are open to exploring the hypothesis, others remain skeptical and believe that the observed effects could be attributed to measurement issues rather than actual physical phenomena. No consensus is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of data reliability and the potential for external factors to influence measurements, indicating that assumptions about the data's integrity may affect conclusions drawn from it.

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Hello! I'm not entirely sure this is very "scientific", but I have an idea that I would like some feedback on. I remember reading an article related to radioactive decay varying with the rotation and distance from the sun on Phys.org a few years back (http://phys.org/news202456660.html) and was pretty intrigued by the idea. They state the fluctuation is roughly a "tenth of a percent", which is pretty uneventful in the large scale of daily life. In a seemingly unrelated story about the Pioneer Anomaly (http://phys.org/news/2012-07-source-anomaly.html) I had a theory that could possibly be tested. Perhaps radioactivity is more variable than we understand since we have a pretty steady distance from the sun, and also are under the influence of the heliosphere at all times. My question or idea or hypothesis is: could we use the data from either the temperature, power output, or maybe the deceleration effect of the radioactive thermoelectric generators on board the viking spacecraft (s) to calculate any statistically significant fluctuations in the decay rates near the edge of the solar system? And would it be useful? Just a thought I've had for a while; I thought maybe someone had some input or solid reasoning that will get this out of my 'hypothesis box'.
 
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This was discussed here when it first came out.

At the time, I said:

I think it's far more likely that the authors are observing a seasonal variation in detector performance.

There are two things in the back of my mind when I read this. One is that the authors were re-analyzing someone else's data: they weren't there when it was taken. That immediately puts them at a disadvantage. (In fact, it's even possible that this effect was noticed by the original experimenters, and the reason identified).

The other is that Fischbach has a track record of finding dramatic new physics effects in other people's data - effects that subsequently are shown not to exist.

I still believe that. The fact that in 6 years nobody has been able to duplicate the effect is also strong evidence that this was another Fischbach Fluke.

As for Pioneer and Voyager, this would predict a ~5% effect in the power output. I suspect, but do not know, that this would be detectable, particularly since there are four probes.
 
They would need a poor power monitoring if 5% more or less energy would not be seen in some way. As an example, in 2008, NASA quoted the electric power as 285W for Voyager 1 and 287W for Voyager 2. They don't write it explicitly, but that looks like they see a difference between the two values so at least the electric power is known to 1% or better.
 
Thanks for the link Vanadium! Helpful stuff there.
 

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