Radioactivity of an unknown isotope

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The discussion revolves around the radioactivity of an unknown isotope, specifically focusing on the mathematical relationships governing the decay of radioactive materials. Participants are examining an equation related to the change in the number of atoms over time, incorporating concepts such as half-life and decay constants.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive a formula for the remaining number of atoms based on given parameters. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of variables, particularly the meaning of delta(N) and the notation used in the derived formulas. There is also a discussion about the implications of the results obtained from calculations in Excel.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying definitions and questioning the validity of derived equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the decay equation and the relationship between the number of atoms and time. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of information they can share or the methods they can use. There is uncertainty regarding the correct application of the formulas and the assumptions made about the variables involved.

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i have been given an equation of,
delta(N) = N(t).delta(t)/T

where N(t) is the number of atoms left at time t, and T is the half life. Using a constant time and variable half lifes i have to come up with a formula to calculate the remaining atoms left over.

the formula i was able to obtain from my working is

delta(N) = N0/e^(t.sq) / 2T

i am not sure if this equation is write and also my problem is that i have no idea of how i obtained this formula from the original one.
 
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You tell us what N(t), t, and T are but you don't tell us what delta(N) means. Is it the change in N during the time interval delta(t)? In the resulting formula I do not understand what you mean by "t.sq" nor what you mean by A/B/C. Is that the same as A/(BC) (A divided by B, then that divided by C)?

"i have no idea of how i obtained this formula from the original one."
Well, you were the one who obtained it! What did you do?

Assuming that delta(N) is indeed the change in N during time interval delta(t), then, dividing by delta(t) and taking the limit as delta(t) goes to 0, [itex]\frac{dN}{dt}= N/T[/itex], a differential equation. We then have
[tex]\frac{dN}{N}= \frac{dt}{T}[/tex]
where T is a constant (the half life). Integrating both sides,
ln(N)= t/T+ C or
[tex]N(t)= Ce^{\frac{t}{T}}[/tex].
Taking t= 0, N(0)= N0, that gives
[tex]N(0)= N_0= Ce^0= C[/tex]
so
[tex]N(t)= N_0 e^{\frac{t}{T}}[/tex]

My assumption about what "delta(N)" means must not be correct then, because that is not correct!

If T is the "half life", then for every period of length T, the number of atoms left is cut in half. In particular, the "number of periods of length T in time t" is just [itex]\frac{t}{T}[/itex] so we multiply the initial amount, N0 by 1/2 [itex]\frac{t}{T}[/itex] times. That is
[tex]N(t)= N_0 \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{t}{T}}[/tex].
 
Normally the rate of decay is expressed as

dN(t)/dt = -[tex]\lambda[/tex] N(t), i.e. the decay rate is directly proportional to the number of atoms, N, at time t, and is decreasing.

[tex]\lambda[/tex] is the decay constant and = (ln 2)/T1/2, where T1/2 is the half-life.
 
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you are right, delta(N) is the change, sorry my bad for not explaining, i wasnt sure how to put the triangle in. Anyway the formula you obtained being N(t) = N0.e^(t/T). Using my own solving methods i obtained that but assumed it was wrong.

When i put the equation into excel, and put in some random values of t, N and T. the final value of N(t) ended up being higher than the beginning value of the number of atoms.

For example, the N being 10, t being 1 and T being 10, the final value ended up being 11.05, that's the reason why i assumed it was wrong.
 

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