Radius and Interval of Convergence

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The discussion revolves around finding the radius and interval of convergence for two series: 1) \([(n+1)/n]^n \cdot (x^n)\) and 2) \(\ln(n)(x^n)\), both starting at \(n=1\). Participants explore methods such as the root test and ratio test to analyze convergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant combines the terms of the first series and applies the root test, concluding that \(\frac{(n+1)}{n} \cdot x\) does not converge, questioning the book's assertion of \(R = 1\) and \(I = -1 < x < 1\).
  • Another participant suggests rewriting \(\frac{(n+1)}{n}\) as \(1 + \frac{1}{n}\) and questions the convergence of the series.
  • A later reply confirms the use of the root test, stating that the limit leads to \(-1 < x < 1\) for convergence and discusses the divergence of the series at the endpoints.
  • For the second series, participants mention using the ratio test and L'Hospital's rule, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the convergence.
  • Another participant confirms the use of L'Hospital's rule and arrives at a similar conclusion regarding the radius and interval of convergence as for the first series.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the language used to describe divergence, emphasizing that terms must converge to zero for the series to converge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the radius of convergence being \(R = 1\) and the interval of convergence being \(-1 < x < 1\). However, there is some debate regarding the application of tests and the interpretation of convergence at the endpoints.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the convergence of specific terms and the application of mathematical tests, indicating that further clarification may be needed regarding the conditions under which these tests apply.

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Students and individuals interested in series convergence, particularly those studying calculus or mathematical analysis, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement


Find the radius and interval of convergence for the two series:

1) [(n+1)/n]^n * (x^n), series starting at n=1.

2) ln(n)(x^n), series starting at n=1.


Homework Equations


You're usually supposed to root or ratio your way through these.


The Attempt at a Solution



1) First, combining the whole thing and putting to the nth power:
[( (n+1) x) / n] ^ n

then using the root test yields

((n+1)/n) * x

but (n+1)/n doesn't converge. The book still gives R = 1 and I = -1 < x < 1, though... how?

2) Uhhh not too sure... I just ratio tested it and got:

(ln(n+1) / ln(n)) * x

and the ln(n+1) / ln(n) doesn't converge. What do?

Thanks.
 
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Hip2dagame said:

Homework Statement


Find the radius and interval of convergence for the two series:

1) [(n+1)/n]^n * (x^n), series starting at n=1.

2) ln(n)(x^n), series starting at n=1.


Homework Equations


You're usually supposed to root or ratio your way through these.


The Attempt at a Solution



1) First, combining the whole thing and putting to the nth power:
[( (n+1) x) / n] ^ n

then using the root test yields

((n+1)/n) * x

but (n+1)/n doesn't converge.

Are you sure about that? Write it as$$
1 +\frac 1 n$$
The book still gives R = 1 and I = -1 < x < 1, though... how?

2) Uhhh not too sure... I just ratio tested it and got:

(ln(n+1) / ln(n)) * x

and the ln(n+1) / ln(n) doesn't converge. What do?

Thanks.

For the second one think about L'Hospital's rule.
 
Ok so giving this a second try, for the first one,
using the root test, we end up with

(1 + (1/n)) * x,

so the limit is absolute value of x, which must be less than 1 to converge, so we set the equation

-1< x< 1

plugging -1 into x we get , (-1)^n * (1+(1/n))^n , a diverging alternating series
plugging 1 into x we get (1)^n (1+ (1/n))^n, which diverges,

so radius of convergence (R) = 1, and interval of con (I) = -1<x<1, open interval.

For number 2,
using LHospital's rule, limit is once again x, abs val of x is less than 1 for convergence so
-1 < x < 1 for convergence,

then plugging -1 in for x, we get (-1)^n * ln(n) which diverges,
plugging in 1 for x, we get (1)^n * ln(n), which diverges,

so R = 1, and I is the open interval -1 < x < 1.

Amiriteuguise? thanks for any help.
 
It looks like you have the idea. Just remember that it is the ratio test or root test you are using, and when you say, for example, "then plugging -1 in for x, we get (-1)^n * ln(n) which diverges", what you really want to say is that (-1)^n * ln(n) doesn't converge to zero, hence the series ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty (-1)^n\ln n## diverges.

And who/what is Amiriteuguise? Something to do with this thread?
 

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