Radius of Convergence: Evaluate & Ignoring Extra Vars

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the radius of convergence for the series given by (k*x^k)/(3^k). Participants explore the application of the ratio test and the implications of variables involved in the limit process for determining convergence.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to evaluate the radius of convergence using the ratio test and expresses uncertainty about handling the variables x and k in the limit L = (k+1)*x/3k.
  • Another participant clarifies that the radius of convergence should not depend on k or x, emphasizing that it is determined by the coefficients of the power series.
  • There is a reiteration of the definition of the radius of convergence, highlighting that it is a limit process as k approaches infinity, specifically using the formula R = 1/lim sup (k→∞) √[k]{|a_k|} where a_k = k/3^k.
  • A later reply suggests that the ratio test is typically used to find the radius of convergence, proposing a specific limit condition for convergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to determining the radius of convergence, with some advocating for the ratio test while others emphasize the importance of the coefficients in the power series. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to evaluate the radius of convergence.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the appropriate limit process to use for evaluating the radius of convergence, and participants have not fully agreed on the implications of the variables involved in the limit.

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I am attempting to evaluate the radius of convergence for a series that goes from k=0 to infinity. The series is given by (k*x^k)/(3^k).

I have begun by using the ratio test and have gotten to the point L = (k+1)*x/3k

Now i know i can find out the radius of convergence by simply saying R = 1/L.

However, i am always unsure what to do with the extra x and k variables that i still have in L. Can they just be ignored?
 
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Remember that your series has $x$ as an argument, i.e. it's more a function $f$ like:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^\infty \frac{k x^k}{3^k}$$
and the radius of convergence $R$ simply means that the series converges for all arguments $x$ such that $\lvert x \rvert < R$. So it should be clear that the radius of convergence can't depend on $k$ (which is just a dummy variable used for the sum) or $x$.

Remember that you are dealing with a power series here, which is more clearly expressed as a sum of coefficients and powers:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^\infty \frac{k}{3^k} x^k$$
Here the power is the $x^k$ term (and is the ONLY place $x$ can appear) and the coefficient is $k / 3^k$, which must be independent of $x$. The radius of convergence of the series depends only on the coefficients, not on the $x^k$ term (which is there for all power series anyway) so the radius of convergence can't depend on $x$. Finally, the radius of convergence is defined as a limit process as $k \to \infty$, given by:
$$R = \frac{1}{\lim\sup_{k \to \infty} \sqrt[k]{\lvert a_k \rvert}}$$
where $a_k$ is the $k$th coefficient of your power series, that is, $k / 3^k$ (again, independent of $x$). So your $L$ (the limit in the denominator) is wrong, since it can't depend on $k$. Hope that helps.
 
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Bacterius said:
Remember that your series has $x$ as an argument, i.e. it's more a function $f$ like:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^\infty \frac{k x^k}{3^k}$$
and the radius of convergence $R$ simply means that the series converges for all arguments $x$ such that $\lvert x \rvert \leq R$. So it should be clear that the radius of convergence can't depend on $k$ (which is just a dummy variable used for the sum) or $x$.

Remember that you are dealing with a power series here, which is more clearly expressed as a sum of coefficients and powers:
$$f(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^\infty \frac{k}{3^k} x^k$$
Here the power is the $x^k$ term (and is the ONLY place $x$ can appear) and the coefficient is $k / 3^k$, which must be independent of $x$. The radius of convergence of the series depends only on the coefficients, not on the $x^k$ term (which is there for all power series anyway) so the radius of convergence can't depend on $x$. Finally, the radius of convergence is defined as a limit process as $k \to \infty$, given by:
$$R = \frac{1}{\lim\sup_{k \to \infty} \sqrt[k]{\lvert a_k \rvert}}$$
where $a_k$ is the $k$th coefficient of your power series, that is, $k / 3^k$ (again, independent of $x$). So your $L$ (the limit in the denominator) is wrong, since it can't depend on $k$. Hope that helps.

That makes a lot more sense! Thankyou!
 
Usually radii of convergence are found with the ratio test, rather than the root test. To evaluate the radius of convergence, you need to solve for x where $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{k \to \infty} \left| \frac{a_{k+1}}{a_k} \right| < 1 \end{align*}$.
 

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