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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the radius of curvature in the context of a path function, utilizing tangent and normal unit vectors. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions that lead to the conclusion that the derived equation represents a circle with a specific radius related to curvature.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation involving the expansion of the path function and its relation to curvature. Some participants question the validity of the derived equation and its interpretation as a circle, while others suggest examining the components of the equation more closely.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical derivation, with some providing insights into the parametric form of a circle. There is a mix of agreement on the source of the derivation, but also a recognition of potential discrepancies in interpretation, particularly regarding the sine and cosine terms.

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There is mention of a specific book as the source of the derivation, and some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the equations presented. Additionally, references to external resources are made, indicating a search for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


This is not exactly a question, but I am trying to understand the derivation of radius of curvature from a boof I'm reading. I would be extremely grateful if someone is able to help me.


Homework Equations


Let u and n be the tangent and normal unit vectors respectively. If r(s) is the path function, we know that:

[tex]\textbf{u}=\frac{d\textbf{r}}{ds}[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{d\textbf{u}}{ds}=k\textbf{n}[/tex]

where k is called the curvature.

We can expand r(s) around a certain point:

[tex]\textbf{\textbf{r(s)}}=\textbf{a}+s\frac{d\textbf{r}}{ds}+\frac{1}{2}s^{2}\frac{d^{2}\textbf{r}}{ds^{2}}+...[/tex]

using the equations for u and n:

[tex]\textbf{r(s)}=\textbf{a}+s\textbf{u}+\frac{1}{2}s^{2}k\textbf{n}+...[/tex]

which is the same as:

[tex]\textbf{r(s)}=\textbf{a}+\frac{sin(ks)}{k}\textbf{u}+\frac{1}{k}(1-cos(ks))\textbf{n}+...[/tex]

And from here they conclude that this is the equation of a circle with radius [tex]\frac{1}{k}[/tex], which I don't quite understand. Tried to square it, extract sines and cosins, but still don't understand why this is a circle.

Thanks to advance to whoever is able to help.
 
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The parametric equation of a circle is ( a+ Rcosu, b+Rsinu).
 
Grand said:

Homework Statement


This is not exactly a question, but I am trying to understand the derivation of radius of curvature from a boof I'm reading. I would be extremely grateful if someone is able to help me.


Homework Equations


Let u and n be the tangent and normal unit vectors respectively. If r(s) is the path function, we know that:

[tex]\textbf{u}=\frac{d\textbf{r}}{ds}[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{d\textbf{u}}{ds}=k\textbf{n}[/tex]

where k is called the curvature.

We can expand r(s) around a certain point:

[tex]\textbf{\textbf{r(s)}}=\textbf{a}+s\frac{d\textbf{r}}{ds}+\frac{1}{2}s^{2}\frac{d^{2}\textbf{r}}{ds^{2}}+...[/tex]

using the equations for u and n:

[tex]\textbf{r(s)}=\textbf{a}+s\textbf{u}+\frac{1}{2}s^{2}k\textbf{n}+...[/tex]

which is the same as:

[tex]\textbf{r(s)}=\textbf{a}+\frac{sin(ks)}{k}\textbf{u}+\frac{1}{k}(1-cos(ks))\textbf{n}+...[/tex]

And from here they conclude that this is the equation of a circle with radius [tex]\frac{1}{k}[/tex], which I don't quite understand. Tried to square it, extract sines and cosins, but still don't understand why this is a circle.

Thanks to advance to whoever is able to help.

I'm wondering if your latter equation is well derived. Did you take it from your book?
 
Yes, it is from the book and I was able to derive it by myself.

@Eynstone, that accounts only for the sin term, not for the -cos term
 
Oh wait! it's not expressed differently, it's just rearranged so that you can manage to get the radius of curvature, check that first website I handled, and enjoy up to point (31). ;)
 

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