Rainbow: Viewing Rainbows from a Lowflying Plane

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The discussion centers around the appearance of rainbows when viewed from a low-flying plane, exploring how altitude and perspective affect the visibility and shape of rainbows. Participants consider the physical processes involved in rainbow formation, including dispersion and the observer's position relative to the sun and raindrops.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a rainbow retains its bow shape regardless of altitude, similar to viewing it from a mountain.
  • Others explain that the visibility of a rainbow is angle-dependent, influenced by the observer's position relative to the sun and the raindrops.
  • One participant suggests that as altitude increases, more of the rainbow becomes visible, potentially leading to a complete circle if viewed from above the raindrops.
  • Another participant clarifies that to see a full circle of a rainbow, one must be above the raindrops with the sun behind them, which is not achievable from a mountain peak.
  • A participant shares personal observations of rainbows appearing to complete a circle at their feet while driving through spray, questioning if this is a common experience for all observers.
  • Another contributor mentions having seen full circles of rainbows while flying, noting that they appear somewhat below the observer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how altitude affects the visibility of rainbows, with some agreeing on the necessity of being above the raindrops for a full circle, while others share personal observations that suggest variability in experience. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of these observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the dependence of rainbow visibility on specific conditions such as the position of the sun and the observer's vantage point, but do not resolve the implications of these factors.

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I was wondering how a rainbow would look like when sitting in a lowflying plane. I was thinking that it sould still be a bow as standing on a mountain doesn't change the shape of the rainbow either. But is that really true?

hexa
 
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You see a rainbow depending on the position you look at it because the phenomenon responsible for it, ie dispersion, is an "angle dependent" physical process. more specifically, EM-radiation splits up into the different constituent frequencies (colours) when passing through a medium of variable refractive index. each frequency is "emitted" along a certain angle with the incident EM-radiation.

marlon
 
ah very interesting. So the higher i get relative to the ground, the more I can see of that rainbow until I see the complete circle, right?

Hexa
 
hexa said:
ah very interesting. So the higher i get relative to the ground, the more I can see of that rainbow until I see the complete circle, right?
Hexa

I am sorry but i do not see how you come to such a conclusion ? Am I missing something here ?

marlon
 
What hexa concluded doesn't necessarily follow from your post, but it is more or less correct:
But if the sun is very low in the sky, either just before sunset or just after sunrise, we can see a half circle. The higher the sun is in the sky, the less we see of the rainbow.

The only way to see the full circle of a rainbow in the sky is to be above the raindrops and have the sun behind you. You would have to look down on the drops from an airplane.
http://www.wxdude.com/Rainbows.html

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However, a mountain won't work for a full circle. "On a mountain peak-no matter how high," says Greenler, "droplets on the part of the circle below the antisolar point will be shaded by the mountain."
http://www.wonderquest.com/rainbow-circle.htm
 
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ok, thanks for clarifying,

my mistake

marlon
 
I realize that this thread has been dormant for a while , and I have no scientific knowledge as such but by observation ...

If a rainbow were to be projected into a full circle the circle seems to complete itself at my feet . I noticed this particularily when driving in spray that the rainbow in the distance could be seen through the spray and seemed to come through 360 deg back to the ground beneath me .

Is this true of all rainbows to the observer ?
 
lurksalot said:
I realize that this thread has been dormant for a while , and I have no scientific knowledge as such but by observation ...

If a rainbow were to be projected into a full circle the circle seems to complete itself at my feet . I noticed this particularily when driving in spray that the rainbow in the distance could be seen through the spray and seemed to come through 360 deg back to the ground beneath me .

Is this true of all rainbows to the observer ?
What you see depends on your vantage point in relation to the dispersing medium and the Sun.
From personal experience, flying planes, I've seen them make full circles (quite impressive), but they are somewhat below you.
 

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