Rank of Matrices and Eigen Vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding the rank of matrices and determining eigenvalues and eigenvectors. The matrices in question include a 3x4 matrix, a 4x3 matrix, and a 3x3 matrix. Participants are exploring the implications of determinants and the definitions of eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss calculating minors to determine the rank of matrices and question whether nonzero minors imply a specific rank. There is also exploration of the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly regarding the case when an eigenvalue is zero.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly in the context of zero eigenvalues. There is an ongoing exploration of how to find eigenvectors corresponding to different eigenvalues, with some guidance offered on the nature of eigenspaces.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of rank, eigenvalues, and eigenvectors, with some expressing confusion about specific cases and the application of concepts. There is mention of using software tools like MATLAB for verification.

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Homework Statement



Find the rank off matrices?

i)A=[2 0 9 2; 1 4 6 0; 3 5 7 1 ] 3X4

ii)A=[3 1 4; 0 5 8; -3 4 4; 1 2 4;] 4X3

Find Eigen Vectors and Values of A;

A = [3 2 4; 2 0 2; 4 2 3 ]


Homework Equations



-when det(A) is not equal to zero it will the rank of matrices.
- (A-λ)X' = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I have calculate all minors ;

det(a) = [ 2 0 9; 1 4 6; 3 5 7] , [2 0 2; 1 4 0; 3 7 1] , [0 9 2; 4 6 0; 5 7 1]
And I found different numbers from zero.Does it mean that rank is 3?

My original question about Eigen Vectors and Values is to understand what is it? And where can we use it?
 
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Erbil said:
I have calculate all minors ;

det(a) = [ 2 0 9; 1 4 6; 3 5 7] , [2 0 2; 1 4 0; 3 7 1] , [0 9 2; 4 6 0; 5 7 1]
And I found different numbers from zero.Does it mean that rank is 3?
I would think that if any of the minors is nonzero the rank must be 3.
My original question about Eigen Vectors and Values is to understand what is it? And where can we use it?
An Eigenvector, as you can see from the equation, is one which is not rotated at all by the matrix. Instead, the vector is merely expanded/shrunk linearly (but not to zero). These turn out to have many uses in getting to grips with the core features of the transformation.
 
Ok,thank you.
a is true.Tested with matlab.
For b) all det. is nonzero? so how can I write on 2X2 det form?
 
haruspex said:
Instead, the vector is merely expanded/shrunk linearly (but not to zero).
An eigenvalue can equal 0 so that Ax=0x. The eigenvector, however, can not be 0.
 
A = [-1 1 0; 1 -1 0; 0 0 0] what is the eigen vectors of this matrices?

I found eigenvalues as 0 and -2.

Eigen vector of 0?
 
Erbil said:
Eigen vector of 0?
As vela rightly said, an eigenvalue can be 0 but an eigenvector cannot be.
For an eigenvalue of 0, the eigenvectors will be in the null space of the transformation.
 
haruspex said:
As vela rightly said, an eigenvalue can be 0 but an eigenvector cannot be.
For an eigenvalue of 0, the eigenvectors will be in the null space of the transformation.

Ok but how we can find eigenvector when eigenvalue is zero?

Also there's another problem..

A=[7 2; 0 1 ] this matrice eigenvalues is not zero.Eigenvalues are 7 and 1.

(A-λI)*X=0

[7 2 ; 0 1] - 7 * [ 1 0; 01 ] = [ 0 2; 0 -6} --> [0;0;0]

If X1 = [ x1;y1]

[0 2; 0 -6] [x1;y1] = [0;0]

2y1 = 0
-6y1 = 0

x1 = 0? or not? If = 0 where to go from here?
 
Erbil said:
Ok but how we can find eigenvector when eigenvalue is zero?
The same way as when it is nonzero: you know A and λ, so solve (A-λI)x = 0.
A=[7 2; 0 1 ] this matrice eigenvalues is not zero.Eigenvalues are 7 and 1.

(A-λI)*X=0

[7 2 ; 0 1] - 7 * [ 1 0; 01 ] = [ 0 2; 0 -6} --> [0;0;0]

If X1 = [ x1;y1]

[0 2; 0 -6] [x1;y1] = [0;0]

2y1 = 0
-6y1 = 0

x1 = 0? or not? If = 0 where to go from here?
This is telling you x1 can be anything nonzero. Remember that although we speak of eigenvectors they're really eigenspaces. The dimension of the eigenspace is the number of times the eigenvalue repeats in the roots of the polynomial. Here, neither root repeats so each eigenspace has only one dimension. You can pick any nonzero vector in that space as a representative eigenvector, but any nonzero scalar multiple of it would do as well.
 

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