Rate Law Problem 1 Help: Finding OCI- Concentration Effect

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The discussion revolves around a rate law problem involving the concentration effects of various ions in a chemical reaction. Participants explore how to incorporate the hydroxide ion into the rate law and analyze the reaction orders based on provided trial data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the role of the hydroxide ion, questioning whether it should be included in the rate law since it is written above the reaction arrow.
  • Another participant suggests that if the dependence on [I-] and [OH-] is understood, it may be possible to deduce the dependence on [OCl-] even without direct trials involving [OCl-].
  • A participant claims to have determined that the reaction is first order with respect to [I-] based on trials where [OCI-] and [OH-] are held constant.
  • One participant concludes that the reaction order with respect to the hydroxide ion is -1, while also stating that the reaction is first order with respect to [OCI-].
  • Another participant proposes that something written above the reaction arrow typically indicates a catalyst, although they note that the data does not clearly confirm this.
  • There is a suggestion to analyze the ratios of reactant concentrations and corresponding rates to gain further insights into the rate law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of the hydroxide ion in the rate law, and there are differing interpretations regarding the reaction orders. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the inclusion of hydroxide in the rate law and the implications of the determined orders.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of trials where the concentration of OCI- changes while the others are held constant, which limits the analysis of the rate law. There is also uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the hydroxide ion's role in the reaction.

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1. Homework Statement

Due to formatting problems, I have attached the question below.

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I am not sure how to deal with the hydroxide ion since it is written above the arrow. I believe that this signifies a species not included in the overall reaction but is necessary for the reaction to proceed? An intermediate maybe? Therefore, should the hydroxide ion be in the rate law?

Using trials 1 and 2 where the concentration of OCI- and OH- is held constant, I have determined that the reaction is first order with respect to [I-].

However, there are no trials where the concentration of OCI- changes and the other two are held constant.

I am not sure how to proceed from here. Can anyone provide some guidance. Thanks. All help is very much appreciated.
 

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cvc121 said:
I am not sure how to deal with the hydroxide ion since it is written above the arrow. I believe that this signifies a species not included in the overall reaction but is necessary for the reaction to proceed? An intermediate maybe? Therefore, should the hydroxide ion be in the rate law?
Is there any data from which you can deduce the answer?

cvc121 said:
Using trials 1 and 2 where the concentration of OCI- and OH- is held constant, I have determined that the reaction is first order with respect to [I-].
This looks correct to me.

cvc121 said:
However, there are no trials where the concentration of OCI- changes and the other two are held constant.

I am not sure how to proceed from here. Can anyone provide some guidance. Thanks. All help is very much appreciated.

If you find out how the rate depends on [I-] and [OH-], you should be able to calculate how the rate depends on [OCl-] even if the all three concentrations are changing.
 
Thank you for your response.

Using trials 4 and 2, I have determined that the reaction order is -1 with respect to the hydroxide ion.

Therefore, I have determined the reaction to be first order with respect to [OCI-] using trials 2 and 3, for instance.

So rate law would be rate = k [I-][OCI-] / [OH-]?
 
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Something written above the arrow for the reaction brackets (which is balanced without it) usually does the signify a catalyst. Whether the data says it really is one does not exactly hit you in the eye!

You could try looking at ratios of reactant concentrations And corresponding ratios of rates, and factoring in the one law that you do know to see whether that gives you anything. I haven't tried it.

Unless it is important for some external reason, this data does not seem to be worth wasting a lot of time on.
 
cvc121 said:
Thank you for your response.

Using trials 4 and 2, I have determined that the reaction order is -1 with respect to the hydroxide ion.

Therefore, I have determined the reaction to be first order with respect to [OCI-] using trials 2 and 3, for instance.

So rate law would be rate = k [I-][OCI-] / [OH-]?
That looks correct to me. Good job!
 

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