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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving the rate at which a shadow lengthens as a person walks away from a lamp post. The scenario includes a lamp post of 15 feet and a person of 6 feet, with the person moving at a constant speed. Participants explore the relationships between the distances involved and the derivatives related to the shadow's length.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster formulates a relationship using similar triangles to express the shadow length 'B' in terms of the distance 'A' from the lamp post.
  • Some participants suggest that the total distance from the lamp post to the person is \(A + B\) and relate the rates of change of these distances to the person's walking speed.
  • There is a discussion about how to differentiate the relationship and the implications of the person's constant speed on the derivative of 'A'.
  • One participant asserts that since the person is moving at a constant speed, the derivative of 'A' is simply 5 ft/s, reflecting the constant rate of increase in distance from the lamp post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the distances and the rates of change, particularly that \(A\) is increasing at a rate of 5 ft/s. However, there is some repetition in the responses, and the discussion does not fully resolve the implications of the derivatives on the shadow length.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the derivative to the relationship between 'A' and 'B', and how the movement affects the shadow length over time. The discussion does not clarify all mathematical steps or assumptions made in the derivation process.

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There is a lamp post 15 feet tall casting a shadow 'B' ft. long of a person that is 6 feet tall standing 'A' ft. from the lamp post. If the person moves away from the lamp post at 5 feet per second, how fast does the shadow lengthen?

So here I thought it might be something to formulate a triangle, or actually two:

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So the problem is asking me to find the derivative of the shadow's length with respect to time: \frac{dB}{dt}

I think the triangles are similar:

\frac{15}{A+B} = \frac{6}{B} \\<br /> \\<br /> \cdots <br /> \\<br /> B = \frac{2}{3}A

So we have B and I will attempt to take the derivative of this:

\frac{dB}{dt} = [\frac{2}{3}A]&#039;

Constant/Chain rules:

\frac{dB}{dt} = \frac{2}{3} \cdot [A&#039;] \\<br /> = \frac{2}{3} \cdot \frac{dA}{dt}

Now how do I find the derivative of 'A'? It must have something to do with the movement velocity because it was given information and I haven't used it yet. Unless I am being tricked and it is extraneous/unnecessary information.
 
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You've done very well. Now, with your "A" and "B", the total distance from the light pole to the person is A+ B. You are told that the person is walking away from the light pole at 5 ft/s so that (A+ B)'= A'+ B'= 5 and therefore A'= 5- B'. Replace A' in your last equation with that and solve for B'.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You've done very well. Now, with your "A" and "B", the total distance from the light pole to the person is A+ B. You are told that the person is walking away from the light pole at 5 ft/s so that (A+ B)'= A'+ B'= 5 and therefore A'= 5- B'. Replace A' in your last equation with that and solve for B'.
The distance from the pole to the person is actually \(A\), according to the original poster's drawing.

So, daigo, if the person is moving 5 feet per second away from the post, then how fast is \(A\) increasing?
 
Reckoner said:
The distance from the pole to the person is actually \(A\), according to the original poster's drawing.

So, daigo, if the person is moving 5 feet per second away from the post, then how fast is \(A\) increasing?
By 5 ft./sec.? This is a constant velocity, so...this is just a slope of 0 on the y-axis since it's a horizontal line. If function 'A' is the distance traveled while going at a constant 5 ft./sec (f(A) = 5t), then the slope of a line is always going to be the same so taking the derivative of a line like '5t' would just be a constant 5, I think?
 
daigo said:
By 5 ft./sec.?
Yes. \(A\) is increasing by 5 ft every second. Therefore,

\[\frac{dA}{dt} = 5\ \mathrm{ft}/\mathrm{s}.\]

Now substitute this into your equation.
 

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