Rather easy problem involving set multiplication

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The problem involves set multiplication, specifically finding the Cartesian product of a set A = {1, 1, 2, 5} and an interval B = [1, 2]. Participants are exploring the implications of multiplying a set by an interval and the properties of sets in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of set multiplication with intervals and question the interpretation of the set A due to its repeated elements. There is an exploration of how to express the result using set builder notation, and some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and properties related to sets and intervals.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into set properties and suggesting ways to express the Cartesian product. There is a recognition of the confusion surrounding the definition of sets and the implications of repeated elements, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the book being referenced has not yet defined unions, which may affect the understanding of the problem. There is also a question regarding the cardinality of the sets involved, which could influence the interpretation of the multiplication.

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Homework Statement


A = { 1, 1, 2, 5}
B = [1, 2]

find A x B

Homework Equations


not much

The Attempt at a Solution



well, the problem itself seems easy enough
The thing is, I'm not very sure what it means to multiply a set by an interval...

just need a little help with this detail
 
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But what's confusing is that the set {1,1,2,5} is the same as {1,2,5}, by basic set properties.

One way of understanding the product of a set by an interval is by considering a subset
of the product of 2 intervals, say , the interval [1,5], and [1,2] , then {1,2,5}x [1,2] will
just give you three discrete copies of the interval [1,2]. Or look at the square [0,1]x[0,1] , then {0,1}x[0,1] are just the bottom and the top of the square, respectively.
 
You could express the result using set builder notation.

For example:

{1,3}×[0,1] = {(1,y)|0≤y≤1} ∪ {(3,y)|0≤y≤1}

= {(x,y)|x∊{1,3}, 0≤y≤1}
 
SammyS said:
You could express the result using set builder notation.

For example:

{1,3}×[0,1] = {(1,y)|0≤y≤1} ∪ {(3,y)|0≤y≤1}

= {(x,y)|x∊{1,3}, 0≤y≤1}


The thing is, in the book I'm using, up to this exercise, Unions and the such were not defined yet.

also I'm not 100% sure that {1,1,2,5} = {1,2,5}
shouldn't one have cardinality 4 and the other cardinality 3 ?

might make some difference.
 
List the elements in each set. {1,1,2,5} ; {1,2,5} .
 

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