RC Circuits Voltage: Solving for V(out) with Loop Rule

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The discussion centers on solving for the output voltage (V(out)) in RC circuits using the loop rule. The initial equations derived were incorrect due to confusion between the voltage across the resistor (V_R) and the voltage across the capacitor (V_C). The correct approach involves applying the loop rule to express V_C in terms of V_R and the initial voltage (V_0). The final correct value for the capacitance (C) should be 8.3μF, contrasting with the incorrect calculation of 2.8μF.

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Homework Statement



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Relevant infor
V(out) stands for the voltage divider I believe

The Attempt at a Solution



I am just going to get the equation first.

For the first part, applying the loop rule I got

[tex]12 - 10^5q' - 10^7 q = 0[/tex] with q(0) = 0. Solving I get

[tex]Q = \frac{3}{25000}(1 - e^{-100t})[/tex]

Since V = IR = q'R = q'(105) I should get [tex]V = 12e^{-100t}[/tex]. So the plot would be a exp curve, curving down.

For the question that follows after. The loop rule is

[tex]100 - q'(10^6) - q/C = 0[/tex]. Solving, I get

[tex]q(t) = 100C - 100Ce^{-10^{-6}t}[/tex]

Since V = IR = q'R = q'(106) I should get [tex]V = 100e^{-10^{-6}t/C}[/tex]

Now [tex]V_{out} = 70 = 100e^{-10^{-5}/C}[/tex], solving I get C = 2.8

Here is the problem, the answer is supposed to be 8.3μF. All the ODEs were solved with Maple

What did I do wrong?
 
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Dens said:
Relevant infor
V(out) stands for the voltage divider I believe

Huh? :confused: What voltage divider? Vout is the output voltage, which is the voltage across the capacitor, in this circuit.

Dens said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I am just going to get the equation first.

For the first part, applying the loop rule I got

[tex]12 - 10^5q' - 10^7 q = 0[/tex] with q(0) = 0. Solving I get

[tex]Q = \frac{3}{25000}(1 - e^{-100t})[/tex]

Since V = IR = q'R = q'(105) I should get [tex]V = 12e^{-100t}[/tex]. So the plot would be a exp curve, curving down.

You're solving for the WRONG V here. The voltage given by IR is the voltage across the resistor (let's call it VR). You're looking for the voltage across the capacitor. To get the capacitor voltage (VC), use the fact that q = CVC for a capacitor. OR, use the loop rule to solve for VC in terms of VR and V0. Either method should give you the same answer.

Also, whenever you get an answer to a problem, always ask yourself, "does this make any sense?" A decaying exponential for the capacitor voltage makes no sense, because after the switch closes, the capacitor is charging, not discharging. :wink:

EDIT: and you made the exact same mistake in part 2. Your equation for the capacitor voltage vs. time is just wrong.
 

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