Reading a Potential Energy Graph

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The discussion revolves around a conservative force acting on a particle moving along the x-axis, with a focus on analyzing a potential energy graph. Participants are tasked with determining the force at a specific position, the particle's movement between positions, and its speed at another position based on the potential energy values provided in the graph.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the force and speed of the particle using energy conservation principles. There are attempts to derive values from the potential energy graph, with some participants questioning the accuracy of their readings and calculations. Others suggest that the reasoning for motion should consider the presence of force and the implications of Newton's laws.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the potential energy graph and the relationships between force, energy, and motion. Some have provided guidance on clarifying concepts and improving the approach to the problem, while others are still grappling with the implications of their calculations and the underlying physics principles.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can use to arrive at their conclusions. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between potential energy, kinetic energy, and force without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement


A conservative force F(x) acts on a 2.0 kg particle that moves along an x axis. The potential energy U(x) associated with F(x) is graphed in the figure. When the particle is at x = 2.0 m, its velocity is –1.2 m/s. (a) What isF(x) at this position, including sign? Between what positions on the (b) left and (c) right does the particle move? (d) What is its particle's speed at x = 7.0 m?

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So I started with part d and with the force being conservative I added the potential energy of x=2 (-7J) to its kinetic energy (.5*2kg*(-1.2m/s)^2=1.44J) with its added energy being -5.56 J and set that equal to the potential energy of x=7 (-17J) and its kinetic energy (.5*2kg8v^2) and solved for v to get a speed of 3.38 m/s. That was incorrect.

I then used the same basic technique to calculate the force at x=2. I saw that the acceleration was constant in that interval and used another point (x=3) in that interval to get a velocity value (-2.54m/s) and finding the difference between the two squared velocities ((-2.54)^2-(-1.2)^2)=5.01) and dividing by twice the distance (2) i got the acceleration to be -2.51 as the velocities were decreasing. I then mulitplied the acceleration by the mass of 2kg to get -5.02 N. This was also incorrect.

I am completely unsure as to how to answer b and c either which would seem that these two would be the simplest to figure out.
 
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Jrlinton said:
So I started with part d and with the force being conservative I added the potential energy of x=2 (-7J) to its kinetic energy (.5*2kg*(-1.2m/s)^2=1.44J) with its added energy being -5.56 J

A native English speaker would say "total energy" rather than "added energy". The term "added energy" would normally be used to refer to only one part of the total.

As I read the graph, the potential energy at x=2 is PE=-7.5 J (plus or minus .1)

You really should write down some equations rather than just explaining in (too few) words what you did.

and set that equal to the potential energy of x=7 (-17J) and its kinetic energy (.5*2kg8v^2)
As I read the graph, the potential energy at x=7 is PE=-17.25 J (plus or minus .1)

Again, it would be better if you wrote down some equations instead of telling us what you did.

and solved for v to get a speed of 3.38 m/s. That was incorrect.
Would it have been correct if you had read different numbers from the graph?

Jrlinton said:
I then used the same basic technique to calculate the force at x=2. I saw that the acceleration was constant in that interval and used another point (x=3) in that interval to get a velocity value (-2.54m/s) and finding the difference between the two squared velocities ((-2.54)^2-(-1.2)^2)=5.01) and dividing by twice the distance (2) i got the acceleration to be -2.51 as the velocities were decreasing. I then mulitplied the acceleration by the mass of 2kg to get -5.02 N. This was also incorrect.
The graph shows potential energy versus position. What line of reasoning were you using to infer a constant acceleration?

As I understand your approach, you are using the graph to read off potential energy, using potential energy to infer kinetic energy, using kinetic energy to infer velocity, and then using the SUVAT equations to infer acceleration from distance and the difference in squared velocity. There is a much simpler way to proceed.

If you write down some equations, that approach may become obvious. Hint: converting from energy to velocity and back to energy is a waste of two steps.
 
Okay I concluded that the force is equal to the negative of the slope of that portion of the graph on part a. And used the correct values for part d. For b and c the object should only be moving when there is a force present? so when the graph was a slope not equal to zero.
 
Jrlinton said:
Okay I concluded that the force is equal to the negative of the slope of that portion of the graph on part a.
Yes, well done.
For b and c the object should only be moving when there is a force present?
Newton's first law says something about motion when a force is not present. You need a different line of reasoning.
 

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