Real Analysis proof Using definition that f is defined near p

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of a function as it approaches a point, specifically focusing on the definition of limits in real analysis. The original poster presents a scenario involving a function defined on an open interval, excluding a specific point, and attempts to establish the conditions under which the limit exists.

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  • Participants explore the definition of limits and continuity, questioning whether the original poster's approach constitutes a proof or merely restates a definition. There is a discussion about the necessity of proving the limit condition versus simply applying the definition.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the proof and the definitions involved. Some suggest that the original poster may be overthinking the problem, while others emphasize the importance of adhering to the formal definition of limits.

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Let (a, b) be an open interval in R, and p a point of (a, b). Let f be a real-valued function defined on all of (a, b) except possibly at p. We then say that the limit of f as x approaches p is L if and only if, for every real ε > 0 there exists a real δ > 0 such that 0 < | x − p | < δ and x ∈ (a, b) implies | f(x) − L | < εI have absolutely no idea how to go about this proof.

Here's my first part attempt

ep = epsilon
d= delta

Suppose f(x) is defined near p and for every ep>0 there exists a d>0 such that for every x in R with 0<|x-p|<d, |f(x)-L|<ep. Because f(x) is near p that means that there is some d>0 such that 0<|x-p|<d and x is to be near p that means there is some d>0 such that 0<|x-p|<d and x is in the domain of f(x). Since we know that x in the domain of f(x) and 0<|x-p|<d for some d>0 then we have |f(x)-L|<ep. Which is the definition that the lim f(x) as x->p = L.
 
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That looks to me like a definition, which doesn't require a proof. Because it's a definition of continuity. The only way it could be considered to require a proof is if you have another definition on continuity. What might that be? Or are you trying apply it to a specific function f(x)? In that case, what's f(x)?
 
Yes I accidentally put the definition. The proof is

Suppose p,L in R and that f is a function. Show that lim f(x) as x->p = L iff f is defined near p and and for every ep>0 there is a d>0 such that for all x in R with 0<|x-p|<d, |f(x)-L|<ep whenever f(x) is defined.This seems likes its mainly technicalities to show it.
 
It seems to me that the proof of the above is just straight from definition :-\ .
 
hmm, I am probably overthinking it then
 
Use the definition. If the delta and epsilons exist then that is precisely the definition of the limit of a function converging to a finite real number.

If limit x->c f(x) exist then by definition the epsilons and delta exist. :-\
 

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