Rearranging numbers changes answers?

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The problem involves a car and a bike, where the car starts from rest and accelerates while the bike has an initial velocity and also accelerates. The goal is to determine the time taken for the car to overtake the bike and the distances traveled by both before the overtaking occurs.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to set up equations of motion to find the time and distances involved. They express confusion over obtaining different answers when rearranging terms in their quadratic equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's algebraic manipulations, pointing out errors in their factoring process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct setup of the equations, and the original poster has acknowledged their mistake in the arrangement of terms.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct interpretation of displacement in relation to the initial positions of the car and bike, as well as the proper application of algebraic techniques in solving the quadratic equation.

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Homework Statement


A car starts from rest and travels with a constant acceleration of 3ms^{-2}, while a bike which is at a distance of 100m away from the car starts with an initial velocity of 5ms^{-2} travels with a constant acceleration of 2ms^{-2}. The displacement traveled by the bike before being overtaken is x. Using equations of motion, find,
(i) the time taken for the car to overtake the bike.
(ii) the distance traveled by the bike (x)
(iii) the distance traveled by the car.

Homework Equations


s= ut + \frac{1}{2} at^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution


So I did using the theory that the displacement of the car will be equal to displacement of the bike +100m.
So here it goes:
ut+ \frac{1}{2}at^{2}+100 = ut+ \frac{1}{2}at^{2}

\frac{1}{2}.3.t^{2} + 100 = 5t + \frac{1}{2}.2.t^{2}

\frac{3}{2}t^{2}+100=5t+t^{2}

100=5t-\frac{1}{2}t^{2}

\frac{1}{2}t^{2}-5t+100=0

t^{2}-10t+200=0

It is after this the problem started. I got 2 different answers. Here it goes:

t^{2}-10t+200=0

--> Here I arranged it as -20t + 10t:

t^{2} - 20t + 10t + 200 = 0

t(t-20)+10(t+20)=0

(t+10)(t-20)(t+20) = 0

t+10 = 0 / t^{2}-20^{2} = 0

t=-10 / t=20 s / t=-20s

-->Here I arranged it as +10, -20, and got different answers >_>

t^{2} + 10t - 20t + 200 = 0

t(t+10) - 20(t-10) = 0

(t-20) (t^{2}-10^{2}) = 0

t=20s / t=10 / t=-10

The answer is supposed to be 20. So how come I also got t=10s in my second arrangement? Is there some mistake I can't identify? Thank you very much in advance c:
 
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You need to review your algebra. You can't factor the way you did. Note that you started with a quadratic expression, but after factoring, you ended up with a cubic expression. Obviously, you did something you're not allowed to do.

To be specific, ##t(t-20) + 10(t+20)## does not equal ##(t+10)(t-20)(t+20)##. You made a similar mistake in the second approach as well.
 
I figured out what my mistake was ^^;
I should have had:
s=ut+\frac{1}{2}at^{2}-100 = 5t+t^{2}
instead of a +100 because displacement of the car minus100m should be equal to the displacement of the bike.
Thank you!
 
ummm... to reiterate what vela said:

firstly you go from
t(t−20)+10(t+20)=0
to
(t+10)(t−20)(t+20)=0

which is nowhere near correct:
(t+10)(t−20)(t+20)=(t+10)(t^2-400) = t^3 +10t^2 -400t - 4000
definitely not your original equation.
Same thing with your second attempt. Bad algebra is bad.
 

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