Reclaim Helium from Weather Balloon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and methods for reclaiming helium from a weather balloon after it has been filled but not launched. Participants explore various technical approaches, economic considerations, and practical challenges associated with recovering helium gas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to reclaim helium from a weather balloon, considering vacuum systems as a potential solution.
  • Another suggests using a compressor on the suction side to recover the helium, though they express doubt about the economic viability of this approach.
  • A participant details the technical requirements for compressing helium back into a cylinder, noting the need for high-pressure equipment and the potential costs involved, which could reach tens of thousands of dollars.
  • Concerns are raised about the contamination of helium cylinders and the implications for future gas supply from suppliers.
  • Practical considerations are discussed, including the cost-benefit analysis of recovering helium versus the expenses of necessary equipment, such as vacuum pumps and low-pressure tanks.
  • One participant mentions the specific heat ratio of helium compared to air, suggesting that this affects the design of compressors used for helium recovery.
  • A question is posed regarding how larger systems, like those used by Lockheed, manage helium after unloading, implying a need for compression but leaving the answer open-ended.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the practicality and economic feasibility of reclaiming helium, with no consensus reached on the best method or whether the effort is worthwhile.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding costs, equipment availability, and the implications of gas contamination, which remain unresolved throughout the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in ballooning, gas recovery, or those exploring the economic aspects of helium usage in experimental or commercial applications.

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Is there a way to reclaim the Helium that I put into a weather balloon? Meaning, I empty out a cylinder of Helium into a weather balloon, and for some reason I want to get it back into the tank (bad weather, missed launch time, MacGyver is on, etc.) and can't launch my balloon. Is there a way to do this?

I've been looking into vacuum systems and am not sure if that is the best way to do it or not...

Any thoughts are much appreciated.
Thanks,
pud
 
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The only way I can see is to put the balloon onto the suction side of a suitable compressor, but I doubt that the economics would add up.
 
A single, large cylinder of helium holds about 240 standard cubic feet of gas. Value might be $50 to $100, give or take. To put it back into the cylinder, it needs to be compressed to about 2400 psi, so right there you need a 4 or 5 stage reciprocating machine that will cost tens of thousands of dollars if you can find one. Call RIX, they would have a solution if anyone does. But I predict you'll hurl when you get the cost back.

Note that if you put it back into the cylinder, you won't get credit for it. Your helium supplier will likely be upset with you for contaminating his cylinder and may cut you off...

Realistically, if I had to do this myself, I'd first determine how much money I would save if I recovered the gas. If it's less than about $2000, I wouldn't bother. Next, I'd figure out how much gas I needed to store at anyone time. That would determine the size of the low pressure tank needed. A 200 gallon tank capable of holding a few hundred cubic feet of gas at low pressure costs about $1000 to $2000, so that would be the main expense. Optimizing this size would cut the costs.

Next, you'd need to evacuate the tank, so make sure it can handle full vacuum as well. You'd need to pull vacuum on it to remove all the air inside. If you know someone with a vacuum pump they could do it for you, then break vacuum only with helium. If you don't have access to a vacuum pump you'll need to buy one.

To get helium into the tank, I'd get a small, 2 stage air compressor and limit the discharge pressure on each stage to prevent it overheating. Helium has a ratio of specific heats of 1.67 where air is only 1.4, so it will get much hotter for any given pressure ratio. Probably want to keep the pressure ratio down to 3 to 1, give or take, so you might be able to get 100 to 120 psi out.

Note that none of this will purify the helium, and air will definitely get in. Probably not a big concern though given the gas is only being used in a balloon.
 
Q_Goest and JoBrag, thank you for the responses. Q-Goest, thank you for suggesting an alternate low pressure tank. That makes sense. Will look into that some more. Yeah, the cost alternative is going to be something that can't be ignored...we'll see.
Thanks again...
 

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