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A high school student seeking to study theoretical physics and mathematics inquired about suitable calculus and physics textbooks and whether following MIT OpenCourseWare (OCW) is advisable. The discussion highlighted the importance of assessing the student's current knowledge level in mathematics and physics. Recommended calculus books included Thomas' Calculus for beginners, with Apostol suggested for those with some calculus understanding, while Spivak is better suited for those familiar with proofs. The consensus emphasized that MIT OCW should serve as a supplementary resource rather than the primary learning tool, as foundational understanding is crucial. Participants advised starting with a dedicated calculus book before diving into OCW courses, despite the platform's structured offerings. The student expressed concern about potentially redundant study paths suggested by MIT OCW, leading to further discussion on whether to pursue multiple courses or focus on one.
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Hi,
I am a high school student . I'd like to study theoretical physics and mathematics : pure and applied in the near future .
So, can you suggest me a book to study calculus and another for physics ??

And do you agree with me that it is a good idea to go along with the order and textbooks of MIT opencourseware ?

Thanks
 
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It depends on what you already know: how much math/physics do you know so far? Which grade are you in?
 
Thomas Calculus & Fundamentals of physics Halliday and Resnick

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Norules said:
Thomas Calculus & Fundamentals of physics Halliday and Resnick

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What about Spivak or Apostol's calculus ?
 
Hossam Halim said:
What about Spivak or Apostol's calculus ?

Are you already comfortable to some of the ideas of calculus? How comfortable are you with proofs? Spivak is not meant as a first calc book, it's even more intro to analysis. Apostol seems a bit more doable, but I wouldn't recommend it as first book either.

If it is your first encounter to calculus, then I highly recommend Langs "First course in calculus".
If you already know the basic ideas of calculus, then go for Apostol.
If you already know calculus moderately well and if you know proofs, then go for Spivak.
 
Vahsek said:
It depends on what you already know: how much math/physics do you know so far? Which grade are you in?


I said : i am a high school student
 
Hossam Halim said:
I said : i am a high school student

That's very vague.

Some high school students barely know basic algebra, some already know linear algebra and Calc III. Same with physics.
 
micromass said:
Are you already comfortable to some of the ideas of calculus? How comfortable are you with proofs? Spivak is not meant as a first calc book, it's even more intro to analysis. Apostol seems a bit more doable, but I wouldn't recommend it as first book either.

If it is your first encounter to calculus, then I highly recommend Langs "First course in calculus".
If you already know the basic ideas of calculus, then go for Apostol.
If you already know calculus moderately well and if you know proofs, then go for Spivak.

I don't know anything about integration
I know functions, limits and some differentiation .
So, which stage i am on now ?
 
Hossam Halim said:
I don't know anything about integration
I know functions, limits and some differentiation .
So, which stage i am on now ?

Then perhaps you can go for Apostol. The book is quite challenging though. He also covers integration before differentiation, which is nonstandard. But if you get through it, then you'll be an expert on calculus.
 
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micromass said:
That's very vague.

Some high school students barely know basic algebra, some already know linear algebra and Calc III. Same with physics.

I know basic algebra, functions,limits and some differentiation and don't know anything about integration.
In physics, i know some mechanics and waves
 
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Hossam Halim said:
I don't know anything about integration
I know functions, limits and some differentiation .
So, which stage i am on now ?

From experience, I'd say you can go to MIT's OCW, and start with calculus 1 and physics 1. The scholar courses do not require any textbooks, but you could consider some of the books already mentioned in this thread as a supplement (although I wouldn't bother about them at first, before completing the scholar courses on OCW).
 
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Vahsek said:
From experience, I'd say you can go to MIT's OCW, and start with calculus 1 and physics 1. The scholar courses do not require any textbooks, but you could consider some of the books already mentioned in this thread as a supplement (although I wouldn't bother about them at first, before completing the scholar courses on OCW).

You're a high school student, so I don't know if you have so much experience to begin with.

Also, I recommend against this. MITs OCW should absolutely be treated as secondary resources, not as primary resources. You absolutely need to focus on working through an actual calculus book. Any other way will likely give you bad foundations.
 
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Vahsek said:
From experience, I'd say you can go to MIT's OCW, and start with calculus 1 and physics 1. The scholar courses do not require any textbooks, but you could consider some of the books already mentioned in this thread as a supplement (although I wouldn't bother about them at first, before completing the scholar courses on OCW).

Ok, but there they recommend Simmons' then Apostol's then Spivak's !
So, would i study calculus from zero point three times !
 
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micromass said:
You're a high school student, so I don't know if you have so much experience to begin with.

*Sighs*... Thanks for reminding me of that fact...
 
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Hossam Halim said:
Ok, but there they recommend Simmons' then Apostol's then Spivak's !
So, would i study calculus from zero point three times !

Then I guess that you should follow micromass' advice.
 
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micromass said:
You're a high school student, so I don't know if you have so much experience to begin with.

Also, I recommend against this. MITs OCW should absolutely be treated as secondary resources, not as primary resources. You absolutely need to focus on working through an actual calculus book. Any other way will likely give you bad foundations.

There they give on single variable calculus two times :
1.single variable calculus (uses Simmons)
2.calculus with theory (uses Apostol)

So, should i consider the two courses or only one of them ?
 

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