Reconcile Geometric Form of Cross Product with Algebric Form

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The discussion revolves around proving the identity related to the cross product of vectors, specifically that \( \mathbf{A} \times \mathbf{B} \) is equal to \( AB \sin \theta \). A key step in this proof involves demonstrating that \( (\mathbf{A} \times \mathbf{B}) \cdot (\mathbf{A} \times \mathbf{B}) \) is equal to \( (AB)^2 - (\mathbf{A} \cdot \mathbf{B})^2 \). Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation and geometric interpretations of these vector identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expanding the cross product into components as a method to prove the identity, noting that this approach can become complex. There are references to known vector identities that might aid in the proof, and some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of these identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and acknowledging potential errors in their reasoning. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in proving the identity, and while some guidance has been offered, no consensus has been reached on the proof itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that they are familiar with vector identities and properties of the cross and dot products. There is mention of a typo in the discussion that may affect the clarity of the identities being referenced.

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Basically, we have to prove that A X B is equal to ABsinθ

Now a crucial step towards the proof is proving that
(AXB).(AXB) is equal to (AB)2 - (A.B)2

After that it is fairly simple. But unfortunately, I can not prove the identity. I've tried expanding it into components but things are becoming messy. Any idea on how to prove this identity (namely : (AXB).(AXB)= (AB)2 - (A.B)2 ) ?

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nerdynoir said:
Basically, we have to prove that A X B is equal to ABsinθ

Now a crucial step towards the proof is proving that
(AXB).(AXB) is equal to (AB)2 - (A.B)2

After that it is fairly simple. But unfortunately, I can not prove the identity. I've tried expanding it into components but things are becoming messy. Any idea on how to prove this identity (namely : (AXB).(AXB)= (AB)2 - (A.B)2 ) ?

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I will assume you know the identities ##
A \cdot B \times C = A \times B \cdot C## (interchange of dot and cross) and ##A\times (B\times C) = (A\cdot C)B-(A\cdot C)B##.

$$\|A\times B\|^2=(A\times B)\cdot (A\times B) = A\cdot (B\times (A\times B))$$ $$
=A\cdot ((B\cdot B)A - (B\cdot A)B)= \|B\|^2\|A\|^2-(B\cdot A)(B\cdot A)$$
 
LCKurtz said:
I will assume you know the identities ##
A \cdot B \times C = A \times B \cdot C## (interchange of dot and cross) and ##A\times (B\times C) = (A\cdot C)B-(A\cdot C)B##.

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Hmm, thanks, :). That was short and sweet.

By the way, I guess you made a small typo(in the second term of the vector triple product.), it will be AX(BXC) = B(A.C)-C(A.B).
 
nerdynoir said:
Hmm, thanks, :). That was short and sweet.

By the way, I guess you made a small typo(in the second term of the vector triple product.), it will be AX(BXC) = B(A.C)-C(A.B).

Yes that was a typo. Unfortunately it's too late to correct it but that doesn't matter now anyway.
 

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