Recursive integral using integration by pars

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The discussion revolves around finding a recursive form for the integral \( I_{m}=\int\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^m}\,dx \) using integration by parts. Participants are exploring different approaches and techniques to simplify the integral, focusing on the selection of functions \( f \) and \( g \) for integration by parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, oferon, seeks guidance on how to apply integration by parts to the integral and expresses difficulty in finding suitable functions \( f \) and \( g \).
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the integral as \( \frac{x^2 + a^2}{(x^2 + a^2)^{m+1}} \) and proposes using \( x \) as either \( f \) or \( g \), although they have not attempted the integration themselves.
  • Oferon asks for clarification on which "x" is being referred to and shares their attempt using \( g' = x^2 + a^2 \) and \( f = \frac{1}{(x^2 + a^2)^{m+1}} \), resulting in a complex expression that leads to further confusion.
  • Another participant provides a hint involving the expression \( \frac{x^2}{x^2 + a^2} = x \left( \frac{x}{x^2 + a^2} \right) \) to assist in the integration process.

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Participants are exploring various methods without reaching a consensus on the best approach. There are multiple competing strategies being discussed, and the overall discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their chosen functions for integration by parts and the simplification of resulting integrals. There are also unresolved steps in the integration process that may affect the outcomes.

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First excuse my bad english on math subjects. I'm working on it.

How can I integrate by parts:
[tex]I_{m}=\int\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^m}\,dx[/tex]

I need to find a recursive form,
But I can't find the right g' and f to get this done...

I've tried
[tex]g'=1 \quad\,\quad\ f=\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^m}[/tex]
As well as [tex]g' = \frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)}\quad\ →g=arctan(x/a)\ , \quad\ f=\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^{m-1}}[/tex]

But on the next integral of g*f ' , I can't find any way to simplify it to Im-1 or another integration by parts that will lead somewhere.

Which g' and f should I pick for this integral then? Thanks in advance..
 
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welcome to pf!

hi oferon! welcome to pf! :smile:

(btw, your english is fine … on this post at least :wink:)

(i haven't tried it myself :redface:, but …)

my guess is that the trick is to write it (x2 + a2)/(x2 + a2)m+1,

and then use x as f or g
 
Hi tim, thanks for your kind reply :redface:

Which "x" do you reffer to saying "and then use x as f or g" ?

I've tried the trick you suggested using:

[tex]g'=x^2+a^2 \quad\, \quad\ f=\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^{m+1}}[/tex]

but all I get is:

[tex]\frac{arctan(\frac{x}{a})}{(x^2+a^2)^{m+1}} - ∫arctan(\frac{x}{a})*\frac{-2x(m+1)}{(x^2+a^2)^{m+2}}[/tex]

And now I'm stuck all over again..
 
hi oferon! :smile:

hint: x2/(x2 + a2) = x(x/(x2 + a2)) :wink:
 

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