Reducing Numbers: Can Big Numbers be Simplified?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of reducing large numbers to a specific mathematical form, specifically x^n + y, under certain conditions for y. Participants explore whether these forms can universally apply to all numbers or if there are exceptions.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the form x^n + y, with conditions on y, and questions the feasibility of reducing large numbers to this form.
  • Another participant suggests that if n=1 is not considered acceptable, then the condition y=+/-1 cannot hold for all numbers.
  • A further participant questions the validity of the initial proposed form and suggests that relaxing the conditions on y might yield different results.
  • Another reply indicates that it is possible to show the proposed form holds under certain relaxed conditions, specifically with n=2, but leaves the proof for others to complete.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the mathematical explanations provided and requests clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed forms or the conditions required for them. There are competing views on the assumptions regarding n and the implications of the conditions on y.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the values of n and the definitions of y, as well as the potential for exceptions to the proposed forms that have not been fully explored.

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There is something going through my mind recently.
is it possible to reduce any number to the following form:
x^n +y , and -x+1<y<x-1?? x isn't necessarily prime
or better something like this x^n +y where y=+1 or -1
I tried many numbers, so far I can't see a contradiction to these 2 rules I stated, or maybe there is one, but can't really see it.
I want to see if it's possible to reduce a very very big number, to a simpler form, like the 2 i stated above.
example:(I don't know if this is correct)
1...million zero...1
it should be reduced to this 1000^1000 +1
 
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One assume you do not consider n=1 acceptable.

If not then you obviously can't have the extra condition that y=+/-1, as not every number is one more or less than a perfect power.
 
what about the first way I thought of ?
x^n +y , and -x+1<y<x-1 not possible too ?
 
Again, you're assuming n>1, obviosuly, but not bothering to state it. And again it is trivial to show it is possible if you relax it to less than or equal in the condition with y. And always with n=2. What are the two extremes? x(x-1) and x(x+1).

I leave it to you to finish that proof, and to think what it implies for your other question with a strict inequality.
 
Can you explain what you are saying in some other way, I maybe be good in English, but along with mathematics they don't really mix together for me..
 
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