% Reflection vs Wavelength Chart. Any?

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The discussion centers around the request for a chart or table showing the percentage of light reflection from various solids as the wavelength changes from radio waves to X-rays. Participants explore the challenges of obtaining such data across a broad spectrum and the potential correlations between wavelength and atomic radii based on reflectivity measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a comprehensive chart or table for light reflection percentages across a wide wavelength range.
  • Another participant suggests consulting the Rohsenow & Hartnett Handbook for properties of materials in the IR to UV range.
  • A participant outlines several challenges in obtaining a graph over such a large bandwidth, including the need for multiple sources and detectors, lack of near-monochromatic sources, and resolution issues.
  • The original requester expresses an interest in correlating wavelength with atomic radii through photon reflectivity, acknowledging the limitations of current methods.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the variability in reflectivity due to different allotropes of carbon, questioning how to isolate atomic size effects from other properties.
  • Participants discuss the complexity of studying different materials and the potential influence of crystal structure on reflectivity measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the difficulties of obtaining a comprehensive reflection chart across the specified wavelengths. However, there is no consensus on how to effectively correlate reflectivity with atomic radii, given the complexities introduced by different material properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific material properties, the challenges of measuring reflectivity across a broad spectrum, and the unresolved nature of how atomic radii influence reflectivity in the presence of other factors such as crystal structure.

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Does anyone have a link to a chart or table that shows the % of light reflection from some solid as the wavelength is changed from RadioWave to X-ray?
 
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See Rohsenow & Hartnett, Handbook of Heat Transfer, for IR to UV properties of a handful of materials.
 
Obtaining a graph with such a large bandwidth would be difficult to obtain for several reasons;

- More than one source and detector would be needed. Calibrating different sources and detectors to achieve a single output is extremely difficult.
- Lack of near-monochromatic sources in some regions of the spectrum, most notably the THz region.
- Lack of tunable sources in some regions of the spectrum.
- Covering such a large region of the spectrum would invariably reduce the resolution of the scan, most likely defeating the whole purpose of performing such a scan in the first place.

What exactly do you need this information for? Perhaps there is an alternative way to obtain what you seek.

Claude.
 
Claude Bile said:
Obtaining a graph with such a large bandwidth would be difficult to obtain for several reasons;
- More than one source and detector would be needed. Calibrating different sources and detectors to achieve a single output is extremely difficult.
- Lack of near-monochromatic sources in some regions of the spectrum, most notably the THz region.
- Lack of tunable sources in some regions of the spectrum.
- Covering such a large region of the spectrum would invariably reduce the resolution of the scan, most likely defeating the whole purpose of performing such a scan in the first place.
What exactly do you need this information for? Perhaps there is an alternative way to obtain what you seek.
Claude.

I'm trying to determine if there is a correlation between wavelength and atomic radii by looking at the % of the photons reflected. As an experienced spectroscopist (XPS, AES, NMR, UV, IR, MS, ToF-SIMS...) with some indepth knowledge of how XPS and AES systems work (or don't work), I'm familiar with the various limitations you noted. As a first pass, I can live with the non-linear response of the detectors. The response ranges will serve as a rough guide to the uncertainties in those parts of the spectral range. Just as you noted, there is no one spectral method that will provide what I seek, but life is hard and so I'm happy to get what ever I can. If something pops out, then we can go in for refinement and extension if money is made available.

Alternatives are always welcome. So, have I explained my interest sufficiently? Many thanks for any help.
 
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See Rohsenow & Hartnett, Handbook of Heat Transfer, for IR to UV properties of a handful of materials.
Thanks Bystander. Much appreciated.
 
Buckeye said:
I'm trying to determine if there is a correlation between wavelength and atomic radii by looking at the % of the photons reflected.

Just a couple more questions (and sorry for the late reply, I have been on holidays :biggrin: ).

So you are measuring reflectivity as a function of wavelength, and looking for any correlation with atomic radii of the substance? If so there is an important issue that needs to be addressed.

Take Carbon for example are your substance of interest, Carbon has many forms, Diamond, Graphite, Buckyballs etc. All have different macroscopic properties. Given that the reflectivity spectrum will be different for each Carbon allotrope, I don't see a simple way how the effect of the atomic radii on reflectivity can be isolated from the variance between allotropes.

I assume you will be studying different materials, and herein lies the crux of the problem. How can you be certain that the variance you see between samples is due to the atom size and not due to crystal structure or other intermolecular property of the solid you are analysing? One solution could be to use single atoms, however such spectra, as you are probably aware, are difficult to obtain.

Claude.
 

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