Reflectivity of metals and elements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of reflectivity for different wavelengths of light interacting with metals and elements, focusing on the physical properties that influence this reflectivity. Participants explore theoretical and experimental approaches to understanding how light reflects off metals, including considerations of atomic excitation and the complexities involved in real-world applications.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating reflectivity based on the physical properties of elements and the excitation of atoms by light wavelengths.
  • Another participant asserts that if atoms are excited, the light would be absorbed rather than reflected.
  • A different participant emphasizes the distinction between metals and atoms, suggesting that solid-state physics and atomic-molecular physics are separate fields.
  • There is a question about whether reflectivity can only be determined experimentally, indicating uncertainty about theoretical calculations.
  • One suggestion is to look up formulas related to the frequency-dependent conductivity of metals, which may relate to reflectivity.
  • A participant mentions that while idealized metals can be modeled, real metals require sophisticated computer models, and the definition of "light" is crucial since visible light is a small part of the spectrum.
  • Another participant raises the point that reflectivity can change over time due to factors like oxide layer formation and surface roughness, indicating multiple variables at play.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of calculating reflectivity theoretically versus experimentally. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of various factors affecting reflectivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the complexity of real metals and the influence of surface conditions, such as oxidation and roughness, complicate the calculation of reflectivity. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity regarding the types of metals being considered, whether elemental or alloys.

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Hello all,
I was wondering if there was a way to calculate the reflectivity of differing wavelengths of light hitting an element based upon its physical properties. I know that it is based on how the atoms of the material are excited based upon the wavelength hitting it. I eventually want to determine what wavelengths will reflect off of a specific metal in a pile of other stuff in order to locate said metal.
Any help will be appreciated,
Thank you
 
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if the atom were excited then the light would be absorbed.
 
mdergance3 said:
Hello all,
I was wondering if there was a way to calculate the reflectivity of differing wavelengths of light hitting an element based upon its physical properties. I know that it is based on how the atoms of the material are excited based upon the wavelength hitting it. I eventually want to determine what wavelengths will reflect off of a specific metal in a pile of other stuff in order to locate said metal.
Any help will be appreciated,
Thank you

Metals and atoms are two entirely different beasts. In fact, solids and atoms are two entirely different beasts. If they are the same, then atomic-molecular physics would be identical to Solid State Physics, and having two separate field of studies would be redundant.

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So does that mean there isn't a way to calculate what wavelengths of light will reflect off of a metal and that it can only be done experimentally?
 
mdergance3 said:
So does that mean there isn't a way to calculate what wavelengths of light will reflect off of a metal and that it can only be done experimentally?

It can be calculated by "anyone" for an idealized metal (which is what Granpa is linking to). However, for real metals you need some pretty sophisticated computer models to even get started.
It also depends on what you mean by "light"; visible light covers only a small part of the spectrum; much of the interesting stuff goes on at other wavelengths (e.g. in the IR part of the spectrum).
What you describe is a form of spectroscopy, and my guess is that the visible part of the spectrum is not the best choice for differentiating between different metals.
 
mdergance3 said:
Hello all,
I was wondering if there was a way to calculate the reflectivity of differing wavelengths of light hitting an element based upon its physical properties. I know that it is based on how the atoms of the material are excited based upon the wavelength hitting it. I eventually want to determine what wavelengths will reflect off of a specific metal in a pile of other stuff in order to locate said metal.
Any help will be appreciated,
Thank you

Would you want to identify just elemental metals, or all metals including the many varieties of alloys used to manufacture goods?

Also, reflectivity of a metal can change over time as an oxide layer slowly forms on its surface. Reflectivity will also depend on the degree of surface smoothness/roughness.

There are many variable factors to consider here.
 

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