Refrigeration heat in vs. heat out

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermal efficiency of vapor compression refrigeration cycles, specifically focusing on the relationship between heat energy input and output. Participants explore the concept of Coefficient of Performance (COP) and seek to understand the heat in versus heat out ratios in modern refrigeration systems and heat pumps.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about quantitative benchmarks for heat energy pumped from the cold side compared to the overall heat produced by the system.
  • Another participant suggests comparing actual COP to ideal COP to identify total losses, including pipe friction and motor losses.
  • A participant emphasizes that COP indicates the work input relative to heat energy pumped, but seeks a direct comparison of heat energy in versus heat energy out, neglecting other losses.
  • Discussion includes the conservation of energy equation relating heat input and output to COP, with an example provided to illustrate this relationship.
  • Questions arise about whether all input energy converts to heat energy, with a focus on compressor efficiency affecting this conversion.
  • It is noted that the mechanical work done by the compressor also contributes to heat, and that all mechanical work eventually becomes heat.
  • Clarification is sought on what specific metric participants are hoping to compare regarding heat produced by the refrigeration cycle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of heat input and output in relation to COP and the role of mechanical work in the refrigeration cycle. There is no consensus on a specific metric for comparing heat energy in versus heat energy out.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining "heat produced" and its relation to the energy dynamics within the refrigeration cycle, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the system's efficiency and performance metrics.

tinska.h
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Greetings,

I wonder what are the usual thermal efficiency for vapor compressor (refrigeration cycle), and only speaking thermal efficiency. I mean COP describes the heat energy pumped vs. work put in. But since some of the work is converted to mechanical energy and to other forms than heat. Therefore I wonder:

Is there any quantitative benchmark which I should look in to, which describes the heat energy pumped from cold side vs. system's overall produced heat? Or if anyone has knowledge what sort of heat in vs. heat out ratios do modern refrigerator/heat pumps have?


Thanks in advance
 
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I'm not quite sure I understand your question, but anyway..

If you compare the actual COP to the ideal COP you can find the total losses; pipe friction, motor & compressor losses etc etc.
 
I mean COP tells me the work in versus the heat energy being pumped. However since not all work in is converted to heat output, I'm looking for pure number of heat in vs. heat out, neglecting all other losses.

I'm in an understanding that COP just tells you the additional work needed vs. heat energy being pumped. But I'm looking for heat energy in vs. heat energy out.
 
I'm in an understanding that COP just tells you the additional work needed vs. heat energy being pumped. But I'm looking for heat energy in vs. heat energy out.

conservation of energy tells us that:
Q low + W in = Q high

And we know that:

COP = Q low / W in

So heat in and heat out relate to the COP:

e.g. Q low + Q low/COP = Q high
 
So the work in, means that all energy put in will convert into heat energy?

The compressor's mechanical work is also heat?
 
tinska.h said:
So the work in, means that all energy put in will convert into heat energy?

That would depend on the compressor's efficiency. If a compressor is 80% efficient, 20% of the input energy would be converted to heat.

Can you explain what you're hoping to compare as a metric? If we consider "heat produced" to be the addition of energy to your system boundary (e.g. room) that didn't start as thermal energy, the only "heat produced" by a refrigeration cycle will be the heat losses in the pump, which if I remember correctly is already taken into account in a standard COP calculation. The heat pumped by the refrigeration cycle is not really "heat produced" in the strict sense of the word, because it's really just heat from the environment that leaked into the fridge only to be pumped out again.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=143647
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_performance
 
tinska.h said:
So the work in, means that all energy put in will convert into heat energy?

The compressor's mechanical work is also heat?
All mechanical work eventually becomes heat. So the rejected heat is the heat removed from the fridge plus the mechanical work input.
 

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