Regenerative Braking Calculation Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the calculation of power in a regenerative braking system for electric vehicles (EVs). Participants explore the components of a specific equation used to determine power at the drive wheels, including the integration of this equation over a driving cycle to yield energy in traction and braking.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the constants in the equation, noting that while most are fixed, dV/dt is variable during acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation calculates the total tractive power required for a vehicle, particularly at cruising speed and during acceleration.
  • It is proposed that the equation breaks down into components representing rolling friction, air drag, and required acceleration, which together determine the power needed.
  • One participant asserts that the negative power calculated from the equation could represent the power available for regenerative braking, but this is challenged by others.
  • Another participant clarifies that air drag and rolling friction consume power and are not available for regeneration, emphasizing that only the power from the mass and acceleration term contributes to regenerative braking potential.
  • There is a suggestion that total kinetic energy can be used to calculate the energy available for regenerative braking, with a proposed deceleration threshold for effective energy capture.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the equation and its implications for regenerative braking. There is no consensus on the exact contributions of various forces to the regenerative braking potential, and multiple competing interpretations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the equation and the need for further clarification on the origins and implications of each term. There is an acknowledgment of the variable nature of certain terms during vehicle acceleration, which complicates the analysis.

Ksterr
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Hey everyone,

I've been a long time lurker on this forum and finally just made an account.
My final year project is in the design of a regenerative braking system for a EV. I'm reading a Modern electric vehicle design Book and came across an equation that I don't quite understand.

This equation finds power at the drive wheels:

Pd = V/1000 (Mgfr + 1/2*ρa*CD*A*V2 +M*δ*dV/dt) (kW),

The book says to integrate this equation w.r.t driving time over a given driving cycle. This will than yield energy in traction and energy in braking.

What I don't get is, aren't all these constants except for dV/dt

M = mass
g = 9.81
fr = tire rolling resistance
ρa = air density
Cd = coeffificent of drag
A = frontal area
v = speed
δ = rotational inertia factor
 
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If the vehicle is accelerating, that is, dV/dt is not zero, then V^2 is not constant and the air drag term is thus a variable term as well.

I have some questions about the rest of the equation; I'm not quite sure where all of it comes from. I'd need to spend a while to become convinced it was all correct (if it is).
 
I got it straight from a EV Design book.

I think it basically calculate the total tractive power?
 
It looks like the equation is calculating the minimum required power for a given speed. This equation is basically assuming the maximum power required by a vehicle is when it is at cruising speed and accelerating. When you split the equation up:

m*g*f*r - Calculation of rolling friction (Force)

1/2*ρa*CD*A*V2 - Drag force exerted on the vehicle by air at a certain speed (Force)

M*δ*dV/dt - Required acceleration the vehicle is capable of at cruising speed. (Force)

Force multiplied by Velocity results in power (W), divide by 1000 to convert from watts (W) to kilowatts (kW).
 
This equation from what I see equates to the total tractive force for the vehicle.

Which ends up being Power in KW. If I brake that down into positive and negative power, does that mean all the negative power would be what's available for regen braking?
 
In a word, NO. The air drag is still going to consume power that will be unavailable for regen, as will the rolling friction. The only power available for regen is that coming from the mass*accel term, diminished by the other (parasitic) terms that are always present taking power away.
 
Ksterr said:
This equation from what I see equates to the total tractive force for the vehicle.

Which ends up being Power in KW. If I brake that down into positive and negative power, does that mean all the negative power would be what's available for regen braking?

NO, the equation calculates the total required power for a certain cruising speed based on air drag, rolling drag, and a required amount of acceleration overhead.

You can caluclate the total energy available for regenerative braking by simply calculating the vehicle's total kinetic energy; for regenerative purposes I don't think you need to capture it with a deceleration any faster than say 0.5G. So given this acceleration and a vehicle weight THAT can be used to find your required deceleration power.
 

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