Regular singular points (definition)

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The discussion revolves around the definitions of regular points, regular singular points, and irregular points in the context of ordinary differential equations (ODEs). Participants explore the classification of singular points in a specific ODE and the implications of these classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definitions of regular, regular singular, and irregular points, using a specific ODE as an example.
  • Another participant asserts that x=0 is a singular point because at least one coefficient has a pole at that point, suggesting it is a regular singular point.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "poles" and connects the concept of analyticity to the ability to represent solutions as series.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of singular points based on the order of poles in the coefficients of the ODE.
  • One participant provides an example of an irregular singular point, indicating that the classification depends on the order of the pole in the differential equation's terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that x=0 is a singular point, but there is some uncertainty regarding the classification and implications of regular versus irregular singular points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and the implications of these classifications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms like "poles" and "analytic," as well as the specific mathematical steps taken in the division of the ODE. The classification of singular points is dependent on the order of poles, which has not been fully clarified.

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Hello,

I am trying to understand the definition of regular point, regular singular point and irregular point

for example, the ode. what would be the r,rs or i points of this?

x^3y'''(x)+3x^2y''(x)+4xy(x)=0

dividing gives the standard form

y''+(3/x)y' + (4/x^2)y=0

So, obviously x can't equal zero, does that make x a regular singular point because x=0 gives rise to a singularity? If so, what does "regular" mean?

Thanks,
David
 
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it seems you divided wrong, or copied the order of the derivatives wrong, or something.

Yes, 0 is a singular point since at least one coefficient has a pole at 0.

In x^3y'''(x)+3x^2y''(x)+4xy(x)=0 it is a regular singular point ... After dividing we have y'''(x)+(3/x)y''(x)+(4/x^2)y(x)=0 and the order of the pole goes up like this: 0,1,0,2 which is lower than the maximum 0,1,2,3 ...

An example irregular singular point: y'''(x)+(3/x^2)y''(x)+(4/x)y(x)=0 now the pole of order 2 in the y'' term is too large.

The reason for this classification is that at a regular singular point the solutions can be written as series in a nice way. At irregular singular points this usually cannot be done.
 
Thanks for the reply,

I copied the ODE right, just didn't divide write, good catch though :)

I'm not sure what you mean by "poles".

If something is analytic, it means it can be represented by a series solution, correct?

Thanks,
David
 
The idea of "poles" comes from complex analysis. In case of a quotient of polynomials (in lowest terms) the poles are the zeros of the denominator.
 

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