Relating Light Angles in a High-Speed Reference Frame

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The problem involves a scenario where a space station observes a high-speed rocket emitting a light ray at an angle. The angles of emission are described in two different reference frames, leading to a relationship that needs to be established using Lorentz transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angles of light emission in different frames and question the assumptions about the angles and the application of Lorentz transformations. Some express confusion about the implications of the speed of the rocket on the cosine of the angle.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to apply Lorentz transformations to relate the angles. Some participants suggest writing the equations of the ray in terms of x, y, and t, while others explore the implications of the transformations on the angles. There is an acknowledgment of different interpretations regarding the direction of the emitted light.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there may be confusion regarding the definitions of the angles and the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the reference frames involved. There is also mention of potential missing information or assumptions that could affect the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A space station observes a high-speed rocket passing by at speed β c in the +x direction. The rocket suddenly emits a light ray from a powerful laser. According to the space station, the light ray was emitted at an angle of θ with respect to the +x-axis. However, the technician aboard the rocket ship who fired the light pulse sent it off at an angle of θ′ with respect to the +x′-axis. (As usual, the x′-axis is chosen to be parallel to the x-axis.) Show that the angles are related by the formula
cos(\theta^\prime)= \frac {cos(\theta) - \beta}{1- \beta cos(\theta)}


Homework Equations


Lorentz Transforms



The Attempt at a Solution


I'm having issues as soon as I start. If the velocity is ##\beta c## then wouldn't

cos(\theta)= \frac {\beta c}{c}=\beta

Meaning the numerator of the given equation will always be zero?

Clearly this can't be the case but I fail to understand why it's not.

I assume I need to apply the transforms to the problem first and maybe one of the cosines or betas was suppose to be primed or something. My attempts so far are not working at all.

v_y=\frac{c sin(\theta)}{1-\frac{\beta c}{c^2}}

Trying the same for vx just gives me c since the betas cancel. Really at a loss for this now.

Thanks for the help.
 
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hi bowlbase! :wink:
bowlbase said:
If the velocity is ##\beta c## then wouldn't

cos(\theta)= \frac {\beta c}{c}=\beta

i don't understand this at all :redface:

the ray of light goes from the spaceship to the space station

in one frame it is at angle θ, in the other frame at angle θ'

it goes, of course, at the speed of light

carry on from there :smile:
 
I don't think they necessarily mean that the light is emitted towards the station. So I've placed the ship and station at the origin at the moment the light is emitted. The ship says it sent the beam out at some angle but clearly the station disagrees on the angle.

For the formula I have the light beam as my hypotenuse and the velocity of the ship along the x axis. Given that cosine equals the x component over the hypotenuse I used that to solve for the function.

I guess that doesn't make sense in this case.

I'm really at a loss at how I should go about this.
 
hi bowlbase! :smile:

write the equation of the ray in x y and t

use the Lorentz transformation to convert that to x' y' and t' :wink:
 
Okay, so there's no contraction for y so y'=y. For x':

x^\prime = \gamma (x-\beta tc)

So for the observer's frame the angle should be:

tan(\theta^\prime)=\frac{y^\prime}{x^\prime}


\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta}}

tan(\theta^\prime) = (\frac{y^\prime \sqrt{1-\beta}}{ (x-\beta tc)})

I could square both sides to get the tangent=>cosine identity but at first glance I'd say that denominator would be too messy for that to turn out to be a solution. Am I even on the right track here?
 
hi bowlbase! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)

wouldn't it have helped help if you'd started with the x,y equation of the ray? :wink:
 
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I figured it out! Instead of setting c cos\theta=\betac I set it equal to ux and used the x transform. I started out with the right idea but needed to forget about the beta and think about the x axis. Thanks for the help.
 

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